Pasco: Judge rejects sheriff’s office’s attempt to dismiss lawsuit challenging ‘predictive policing’ program
A federal judge rejected the Pasco County Sheriff’s motion to dismiss a case against Sheriff Chris Nocco’s Orwellian “predictive policing” program, the Institute of Justice said in a release Wednesday.
In a lawsuit filed by Pasco County families back in March, Nocco was accused of punishing people “for crimes they have not committed and may never commit” – in a practice called predictive policing.
Judge Steven D. Merryday issued an order denying the Pasco County sheriff’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit.
“Today’s decision is an important step toward the ultimate dismantling of the program,” Ari Bargil, an attorney at the Institute for Justice, which represents the families,
ALL sex offender laws are Orwellian anyway, so let’s throw in some Philip K. Dick while we’re at it?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit attrocities.” – Voltaire
Welcome to the Police state formerly known as Florida!!!
So the movie “Minority Report” is based on a future true story…
Disgusted
I put that in a post about a week ago on here. Just another case of fiction becoming reality. How many people have been tried and convicted because of a polygraph. Even though it is not admissible in most cases, if you fail it, they can state that, let it get into the jurors minds, they say “Sorry your honor, strike that from the record.
But, the jury cannot “UnHear” something.
When I was in law enforcement, they wanted us to do “Proactive Policing”. I hated it. While on patrol, in between calls you were to stop and question suspicious people, ask for I.D, run their info, ask them what business they have in the area.
The list goes on and YES, many arrest were made. Meanwhile while we were out stopping every person with a ketchup stain on their shirts, a real crime was left unsolved nor attended to in a timely fashion. It is what I referred to as “Easy pickins”.
“While on patrol, in between calls you were to stop and question suspicious people, ask for I.D, run their info, ask them what business they have in the area.”
Waaaaaay way back in my late teens I had gotten a job in the small town of Madison, CT where the only “crime” that happens there is not coming to a full stop at a stop sign. It’s one of those towns where people get on the local news to say “this never happens in OUR town” kind of place.
I lived in New Haven, a more “inner city” type environment. Due to working in Madison, I also made friends there. Well… got pulled over one day going to my friend’s house. Must have been my long hair and leather jacket back when us “rocker dudes” were profiled. After running my info and seeing that I had 0 criminal record, the cop asked me “What are you doing out here?” If I had the courage back then that I have now, I might have gotten arrested. After I was free to leave, I said to myself “WTF does it matter what I’m doing here? I’m a f*cking American citizen AND a resident of the STATE of Connecticut, not just one part of Connecticut. I can go wherever the hell I want to go. When the state takes taxes out of my paycheck, they don’t say “oh, but you cannot travel to areas you don’t live in”.
This is what I would say to a cop asking me such a dumb question today. I’ll take the arrest. And I’ll say the same damn thing to a judge. “Give me back every penny the state took from me and I’ll GLADLY stay only in the town I live in”.
Same song, different singer.
Only difference is, back then it was Proactive policing. Now it is called Community policing.
CherokeeJack, I know exactly what you mean. Back in my time before retirement, we called it proactive policing too. This was encouraged when government budgets transitioned from zero based to performance based. So, the more “contacts” you made with the public, the better you looked on your performance evaluations, and that’s how you got promoted. Not that I was ever lazy, but I never earned rank because I just did my job without making ridiculous “contacts” to look better.
CherokeeJack–Am I reading your comments wrong? Or, are you both a retired or former cop, AND a sex offender? I could use your input.
I write all over the web (blogs, comments forums, etc.) about the topic of what is called “targeted individuals” of organized gang stalking.
I am currently writing about a man in Mississippi, Richard Moore, who is being harassed beyond anything I have ever read before: the local sheriff, COPS progarm recruits and others have kicked in his door, drive trucks over his lawn, false arrests, and recently ran him off the road, totaling his car.
His case is all over online, including what I write, and he has ben covered by Teri Webster of the Fort Worth Weekly too.
They are targeting him for speaking up about these harassment programs, and have now turned that into actual attempts on his life.
Search the web for “Richard Moore, North Mississippi Anti Gang Stalking Association”
I would like to hear more about your experiences on both sides of the law.
He is not a sex offender. I doubt he would inflict sexual harm on anyone.
(Like many Americans, he may have a criminal record, but that’s none of my business).
I’m not aware that any FAC members have complained of gang-stalking.
Hi, Jacob, and thanks for your comment. I am new to this FAC forum, so I don’t know a lot about the members.
In Richard Moore’s case, he calls it gang stalking, and he names a few Masons who were and are integral in his harassment by LEOs and their predictive policing, community policing mobs, as well as his initial charges.
In his case, it’s pretty classic gang stalking, likely inter generational, because his cousin was the most famous civil rights era photographer, Charles Lee Moore, who was one phone call away from MLK during much of that era.
ROGS
Other than on here, I kind of now stay in the shadows. I have been targeted by law enforcement for years. I had to move to another part of the state to get away from them. I pretty much have been left alone for the past few years and kinda want to keep it that way.
I will tell you, when I got arrested I had already left the force, so that was good. When an active officer gets arrested, the news makes that their top story and they will show up to every family member of yours to get the story, a comment or even a reaction.
I swear there is a special place in Hell for news reporters. Even when you are cleared of all wrong doing, they almost never do a follow up or a retraction.
The best I can do for your friend is to keep him in my prayers.
And, to answer your question, no I am not a sex offender. That would convey that I will still committing sex crimes. I am an ex-felon who made a mistake over 31 years ago. Haven’t had so much as a speeding ticket since then.
Agreed on the news reporters. All are gutless bobble heads.
And I appreciate the correction “.. I am an ex-felon who made a mistake over 31 years ago”
Fair enough. We all make mistakes.
I fancy myself a writer, which is different than a news reporter, though my training is in journalism. However, I can appreciate your sentiments about stalking and harassment by police.
I myself was harassed in multiple states after I wrote one of the nations first post 9-11 manufactured terrorism stories. Colloquially called gang stalking.
So, I found your story interesting in that regard.
How did you get involved with the FAC?
Thanks again for your feedback.
Rogs
I had never heard of F.A.C before. But many years ago I went to the mail box and there was a flyer from them. For years I just tossed them in the trash. But after getting another one I checked them out and found out they were legit.
The reason I was cautious was I also got things in the mail from fake lawyers offering to get you off the registry. I did not fall for it but many did. I forget the name of the group that took everyone’s money but they finally closed shop after a major investigation against them. I do not think anyone got their money back.
It has been a few years since FAC sent out flyers, to those registered. They should do another round, maybe they would get some new people.
Well, that’s great. Yeah, fliers are sometimes the best way to get the message out….and wow! I thought ambulance chasers were the bottom of the barrel…chasing sex offenders for easy cash?
Depraved.
CherokeeJack
My girlfriend is a reporter, so that’s strike one mister. Heck Anne actually tries to publish the truth it’s the higher ups who sometimes don’t allow it. At the same time it’s all good cause she’d agree, but I’m still making a voodoo doll of you. An old version of Moses looking like a Native American Sheriff from the 1800s . Just teasing you, but sleep with one eye Open I may steal your ice cream.
I guess I should have been a bit less broad with my statement. I painted all reporters with the same brush. I will change it to a lot of reporters are only in it for the story no matter whose lives they destroy. And I am speaking from personal experience. Until you have had reporters show up at your families door looking for a story and a comment, only then do you get to decide.
And I can see both sides and guess I am a bit of a hypocrite. When I see someone who “Supposedly” murdered someone in cold blood and the reporters are in their face with mics asking for a comment, I have automatically judged them. And there is a slight chance maybe they got the wrong guy. Also, everyone does deserve their day in court.
When you send that reporter over to my house, let them know I have attack rabbits that can gnaw off your toes in like a day or so, so bring lots of carrots.
CherokeeJack
I knew what you meant and I agree with you but I had to do my sinister sarcastic twist to the mix. No I don’t have a voodoo doll of you or anyone because if Art Class taught me anything it’s that I’m not an artist, unless you want a loop sided doll. I’ll go repent my giving you a harsh time. Oh Holy Moses Burning Bush former cop have mercy on my soul. I was only teasing.
Lol on the GF. Yeah, I did my time in the news cycle, and the higher up you go, the less truth gets out.
I did brush shoulders with hard core print journals, and found there’s a difference between the TV types and the actual writers. Something about that six second sound byte attracts….well, bobble heads…
As for the voodoo doll, can I prefer to think of myself as Geronimo, with that bushwhacked stubble chin, and a pilfered sombrero, rather than full blown Moses….?
Or maybe that wild eyed Cheyenne Little Wolf! With that guy, there was more to meet the eye than his name gave away, lol.
I can’t find a way out of Pasco County after only one Arrest here, in 2002. Givin 2 years probation not knowing it ment life on probation!! After coming to my place 5 times a year, the sheriff goes to my landlord and ask them, “How can yr ou let a Sex Offender live there” his answer ” I’m stuck with him” Now in my 60’s the price of houseing coupled with banishment from society, I am very near forced to walk HWY 19, and sleep under awnings
Mark
If that is not harassment I do not know what is. The Deputy stirring up crap with your landlord should be a termination. Just because he does not like people on the registry doesn’t mean he had to personally make our lives miserable.
On the flip side, if you make a complaint against him, we all know what is going to happen. Your life gets 1000 times worse.
I am so pissed you have to go through that. BUT, do not give up and let them win. You have to take it one day at a time. I was going through that where I use to live and as well, it got so bad I had to leave or I was going to do something I would later regret, which is what they want.
How does your life get worse? Why are people putting up with this?
People Forced to Register need to give the criminals the information that is required by law, and only that, and then tell them to stay away from you. Don’t allow them to speak to you or get near you.
I don’t get why people allow them come around all the time. If you rent a place, I can see how it might be a little difficult to block access to your property and front door, but it really shouldn’t be that hard. I think even at a very inexpensive rental home, you could likely put a small gated area right around the front door for surely less than $100. I’m sure there are all kinds of situations where even that little might be difficult, but personally, I’d have to do it to improve the quality of my life. Just being listed is enough, I’m not going to allow more.
Will
If I can ever hit the lotto, I now know what I am going to do with the money. I am going to buy up an entire street of homes , or buy some woods and build new ones. Then going to ONLY rent to people on the registry.
As long as they have a job to pay on time and are not in and out of the system 4000 times, I would welcome them to live in peace.
Only rule is, no selling girl scout cookies on my street, they are over priced and more addictive than crack LOL
You don’t need to buy all in one area. I promise that there are people right now who own properties and only rent to people who expressly say and demonstrate that they do not support the Oppression Lists or big government. Same with employers. Today, I feel there are more people than ever who are against government.
Personally, that is how I feel we win this war. To me, it’s a fiscal war. It is up to us to be wealthier and control the losers who think Oppression Lists (OLs) are acceptable. And that is what they are – losers. I see very few intelligent, successful, decent people who support the OLs. If you see those people, they are immoral and they are profiting off of it.
I would encourage every single Person Forced to Register to make it the main goal of life to take control of your future. I think most people are surprised by what they can do. It is not exceptionally difficult if you focus. Start buying properties. It won’t be long before you can live in your own home, walled off from law enforcement harassment. It doesn’t even have to be expensive or in a great neighborhood.
I was at a retired police officers funeral a couple years back. An Officer was speaking about the deceased and said…. John would say if he saw someone he didn’t think looked like someone he would want walking past his wife on the street then that is how you know to stop someone…..Everyone laughed. I wanted to walk out. He was not kidding.
I actually liked the guy and he was generally a good person as far as I knew, but that kind of thinking is very closed minded and disappointing.
Mp
Everyone has a little Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in them. Just sometimes we do not know what version of a person you are going to get.
I personally know a ton of people who are all loving at church, then while sitting around in private with friends, tell a racial joke. If I was eliminate the few friends I have left for that, I probably not have any friends. Is’nt that sad?
@ CherokeeJack…..I hear ya. True. It is just sad though when it comes to that way of thinking with they literally hold the keys to the cell.
Here’s a deeper dive into the farce from Reason.com:
https://reason.com/2021/08/06/pasco-county-cops-harassed-them-searched-their-homes-without-warrants-predictive-policing-lawsuit/
So The Pasco County Florida Sheriff wants the case tossed. That is laughable. He runs a program with Federal tax dollars and punishes people for crimes ” they have yet to commit” Now, he feels like he hasn’t committed a crime and the case should be tossed. I’m quite sure he is crying foul. He will not go down alone go down he shall. Three more Lawsuits have since been filed and this is only the beginning of sorrows for the ” protect and serve our own self interest crowd” It will now be impossible to get the “; toothpaste back in the tube” on this deal. Every law enforcement agency in America has this blood on their hands. I’m in North Mississippi, the last frontier of the dirty South. Today I signed a move on petition to prosecute to only living person that has criminal culpability in the death of Emmit Teal, this guy is 66. Really! You mean one of Tills Murders bis still on the lose? Yes, exactly my point of due process vis way over due. As I personally attempt bro make my cases the task is daunting. The corrupt nlaw enforcement of Lee and Union County Mississippi and the title of chief law enforcement officers with Community oriented policing funds still harass and make life a living hell. I’m now facing homelessness and can’t but food. I can fight and I will fight. Corruption is at an all-time high and the Blue wall of silence is killing Americans. I heard a very disturbing story from J. Presley daughter bof the late long time sheriff Harold Ray Presley and yes they are Elvis Presley kin folk. She told me about a young boy that was home with his mother and she killed herself nor so the story goes. It was ruled a sucicide. 5 years later to the day the husband killed himself same way gun shot to the head, ruled suicide. The boy was there both times. The boy ended up running with The Dixie criminal element of North Mississippi. And then, just like that. He became Sheriff after ( Harold Ray was shoot dead) The boys name is Jim H. Johnson and he is the defendant in one of my cases. I do have faith butbim absolutely flirting with the devil. I need support and to bring awareness. This is a culture of Nation wide corruption.
I would trust this sheriff as much i trust being outside and peeing in the wind. He’s got a pissy attitude and should never be a sheriff. Hell I wouldn’t trust him being a mechanic either, he’s in business to rob people blind including taxpayers. Time for N to be in a prison cell for corruption.