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I liked the story/report on City of Gainesville, Fl changing the the 2500 foot rule to 1000 feet. I can’t find a property to buy because it always to close to live near a child-related facility (i.e. church, daycare,etc). Why doesn’t the State of Floriday change it to all cities? Dan Sinclair
Has anyone ever challenged residency laws based on the fact that they is a clear violation Article 1 Section 2 (Basic rights) of the Florida Constitution. All US Citizens living in Florida have a constitutional right to acquire, possess and protect property.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?submenu=3#:~:text=by%20the%20people.-,SECTION%202.,acquire%2C%20possess%20and%20protect%20property.
And now it is also a clear violation of newly passed FS70.002 (Property Owner Bill of Rights). , This statute add the protection of the right use and enjoy property too. Sheriff’s visits…Floridians now have this new statute which also gives them the right to exclude others from their property, so why not flex that right too!
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0070/Sections/0070.002.html
You are right but than would be a target to the local police department lol. Kind of a catch 22 there
Cool!
The WAR vigil in Washington DC is going well. Yesterday many of us went to talk to lawmakers on capitol hill. Today, we will hold a mock funeral on the steps of the supreme court to commemorate 20 years since Smith v Doe.
We heard talks from many informed speakers.
This conference has been a sound success!
Thank you for the updates
I am glad that so many decided to carry on with this. I thought once ACSOL dropped out that was the end of it. Glad to see that was not the case. My guess and hope is now that it has been done and shown to have gone well, that this might happen again.
Dirty politics at it again. Apparently the Governors brother in law in Oregon got in trouble then the Governor didn’t like the results.
https://www.salemnews.com/news/judge-considers-requests-for-triple-damages-in-sorb-head-ouster/article_10305fd6-bc60-11ed-bd11-43a01d7ec7de.html
Salem, Massachusetts (not Salem, Oregon).
There was no “Deval Patrick, Governor of Oregon”; Deval Patrick was the Governor of Massachusetts. Salem News is headquartered in Danvers, MA. (Fine print, bottom of webpage.)
News Sharing and Want To See More are great new site features. TY FAC IT volunteers!
Normalizing Registries: Sen. Book Proposes Animal Abuser Registry
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/932
Far less onerous. It is not lifetime. In Florida only, registrant can just cross state lines and be done with it. Will they get other states to get on board? Maybe.
Violations are a misdemeanors (although that his how Florida SOR started too.)
Funny how she does not advocate for drunk driving registries.
New Mexico is on the verge of passing a law to specifically establish the crime of bestiality (SB 215). The local NARSOL affilliate objected to the inclusion of a requirement that a conviction for this crime would require sex offender registration. All references to the registry were removed from the amended bill that passed the Senate on Monday. HB 128, the chemical castration bill, appears to be stalled in the House. The legislative session ends at noon on March 18.
I’m sure her lawyers could argue the definition of “rape”. But going by how old her victim is she could be eligible for the death penalty if her case was in Florida if the new proposal is passed https://www.crimeonline.com/2023/03/08/elementary-school-teacher-of-the-year-sexually-assaults-child-under-the-age-14-police/
crazy how harsh this rule will be.
But again how did the registry help
https://www.oann.com/newsroom/minnesota-dad-uses-moose-antler-to-kill-sex-offender/
This was a disgusting act and while looking at various comments in other areas, many people are supporting this man.
I thank the moderators for the posting.
Here is a link to the NEWS in regards to the incident and almost in support of the vigilante actions taken while warning the public that registered offenders cannot stop their behaviors and people must move out of their neighborhoods if a child register moves in the area.(we will see how that goes)
Such terrible untruths and misinformation being told to the public while ignoring the rule of law set to prevent things like this. This guy went to the victim’s house and killed him. The victim’s offense was in the late 70s and he did his time. The victim was in his 70s. How does one stalk a 22 month old? and what occurred between this time? Lastly, the NEWS reporter and guest are coming to the conclusion that the person who killed the PFR will likely get off or get a reduced sentence because it was a crime of “passion” and the police “failed him” so he had to take matters into his own hands to protect his child. Not when there were so many other choices that could have been made.
It seems that it is okay to do these things as long as it is to someone who is forced to register. This is another reason why the registry should be abolished. It did not protect the public, in fact a person died, a child is now without a father and many people are affected by this action.
What is even more sickening are the comments in the comment section on YouTube about this incident justifying this and wanting more of this done.
Take care all !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH9jaGvKqSo
Shasha I have about given up on all this registry jazz. NARSOL, ACSOL and many of the others advocates fighting for this justice. Sure all of this is like a man walking a tight rope. If actions speak louder than words than who’s doing the action. Takes two to tango remember.
Warning someone is good. Taking matters in one’s own hands depends on the situation or who compromises to save a life. Say your neighbors house was burning down. You knew they were a sex offender living right beside you….. thanks to good old laws of justice. Would you save that sex offender, his or her kids or just let them burn.
Must of this registry advocacy is like a pep talk rally to either charge one up or to get some Action. There is a right action for ever circumstance in life. You talk about behavior. We all have our behaviors from the gun ho type of person to the one that out things another and does it their way.
Hey I’m glad I’m a nobody a sex offender or whatever you want to call me but when authority take the lead who is leading in this registry bait trap? I guess the the person that calls the last call for alcohol. In many of these sex registry case its all about a higher Supreme authority than law enforcement. So who’s breaking the Commandment laws?
There’s good and bad in law enforcement and as far as behavior anyone can change even many on the registry. Don’t even bother to post this as I know you probably won’t but have a nice day.
Since FAC has changed things around a bit, I’m not sure where to post this. So, please excuse.me if I Fd up but this is worth sharing because the registry failed to work again:
Child respiratory therapist accused of molesting kids caught in ‘disguise’ at Florida airport
https://www.foxnews.com/us/child-respiratory-therapist-accused-molesting-kids-caught-disguise-florida-airport
Stanford University employee arrested and charged after multiple phony campus rape claims
https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-university-employee-arrested-charged-after-multiple-phony-campus-rape-claims
I agree with the idea of Federal judges not having their personal info on the internet— but so should those with no risk to re-offend:
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2023/03/16/federal-judges-got-the-power-to-remove-their-private-info-from-the-internet-and-theyre-using-it/
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2023.html
Recent news
RI ACLU Win: 1,000’ SORR ruled unconstitutionally vague
https://www.riaclu.org/en/news/federal-judge-rules-unconstitutional-states-residency-restriction-sex-offenders
I wish the ACLU would take another crack at the Florida living restriction ordinance. 300 feet seem to somehow be ok in this decision but not a 1,000?
Here our state (Florida) asks for a 1,000 foot which R.I. Ruled it created to big of an exclusion zone the same amount of feet we have. I know our state size greatly engulfs R.I. However in many countries you have zoning restrictions to 2,500 feet. Can we not make the same claim?
But this is encouraging news and hopefully a judge or two here in Florida takes note of this ruling.
Let’s get to 10,000 now
https://theappeal.org/south-florida-sex-offense-homeless-population-spikes/
Hopefully this gets pick up nationally
Another Steve Yoder instant classic.
Thank you Steve!!!
Article quotes FAC extensively. Must publish!
Florida Politics: does campaign have ties to a registered sex offender?
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/597296-does-lynn-hurtak-campaign-have-ties-to-a-registered-sex-offender/
https://www.cltampa.com/news/ybor-citys-italian-club-board-chair-arrested-for-failing-to-update-sex-offender-information-15332210
Arrested over email/ internet identifier’s. Now they all try to distance their self from him.
Thanks for sharing that. Some comments on the website seem to all be from the same person or group. Their comments are all similar, almost seems like something Yoder would find interesting.
So different from Florida: Oregon falling behind on risk assessments
https://thepostmillennial.com/thousands-of-convicted-sex-offenders-in-oregon-not-properly-registered-due-to-years-long-backlog
“additional $6 million for personnel to catch this up.”
Really? Why not give em 12 Million. Freaking idiot’s.
freaking idiot
Noun – A person who is unintelligent to the point that they believe everyone else is at their level of inteligence and cannot admit when they are wrong or have made a mistake.
BOP warden gets six years for sexual abuse of inmates:
https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-prison-warden-gets-six-years-for-sexual-abuse-of-inmates/
NARSOL in the news: KTUU tars Alaska as haven for sex offenders
https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2023/03/24/some-say-alaska-is-haven-sex-offenders-until-laws-change/?outputType=amp
Congrats to NARSOL on being quoted extensively in this otherwise misleading news report
Can anyone please tell me if the law about travel within the country has changed for florida registered people? I went to register with the Hillsborough County sheriffs office and the new form needs to know our flight numbers, where we will be staying even if it’s not at the same address for more than 3 days, when we will return and other news items!! I was shocked to say the least because I travel a lot and never tell them when I’m going because I never stay at the same hotel longer than 2 days. Never mind flight numbers! This sounds like a complete violation of our constitutional rights to freely travel.
Please is anyone can tell me when the law changed because I’m scared to travel now and I just can’t travel spontaneously anymore like my wife and I do quite frequently.
Thank you
Hillsborough-based travelers who are situated similarly to Brian Alan might take some solace in FAC’s communication with another county on this issue.
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-letter-to-volusia-sheriff-and-public-records-request/
There has been no change in law. Also, FDLE answered one part of Brian’s question:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fdle-replies-to-domestic-travel-inquiry/
and FAC made sure all sheriffs had this:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fac-sends-letter-to-florida-sheriffs-re-travel/
This has been going on for awhile:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/is-your-sheriffs-office-requiring-an-itinerary-for-domestic-travel/
Thank you very much!!
Brian.
Any word on the volusia paperwork? I was the one who brought it and its still being used. I e been told i need to report the flight details. I tell them im on standby they tell me i need the flight details. When i drive they want the plate numbers and where id stay on the road. They tell me i need to report the hotel. It takes me two days to drive to ny they tell me its included in the trip reporting.
We are looking into it.
Thank you!!!!!!!
Meanwhile:
Former deputy US marshal convicted in fake ‘rape fantasy’ plot to frame ex
https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-deputy-us-marshal-convicted-fake-rape-fantasy-plot-frame-ex
https://floridaphoenix.com/2023/03/29/legislation-a-scoresheet-might-help-when-it-comes-to-determine-if-a-defendant-can-vote/
They go thru all trouble to pass these laws or they could simply give us our rights back like all former felons but no.
““This is really an information management issue.”
Actually it’s not. This is just confirmation of what we suspected all along. We’re not even considered valid humans to the masses, but just things to be made political scapegoats out of for easy votes from the ignorant, hate-filled public.
It’s all part of their “final solution” Nazi playbook.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/03/29/feds-south-florida-child-sex-abuse-attorney-caught-with-2000-child-sex-abuse-images-videos/
Thought it was ironic as the Georgia probation officer who oversaw the s.o. caseload who also faced the same charge.
This story linked by Eugene Debs is incredible.
I realize we try to avoid linking to individual cases, but this is different. A CSA survivors’ advocate?? One who has actively employed the legal system to harm registrants??
Selected quotes:
‘He has achieved multiple multi-million-dollar trial verdicts for his clients, as well as numerous settlements for survivors of sexual crimes, including child and adult victims, and adult survivors of child sexual abuse. Michael also played a pivotal role in helping to pass Florida’s 2010 legislation that repealed all statutes of limitation for civil and criminal prosecution of child sexual abuse…
‘Detectives said they discovered [him] actively downloading child sexual abuse material using peer-to-peer software.’
I believe comments are OPEN on this News4Jax article.
Why would a attorney who profits from suing people want to remove the time limit for which a profitable action can be taken? Oh, right…
On the topic of CSA, there absolutely should be justice for it. Many, many acts are deemed criminal because they are terrible and have potential to impact a person drastically, even adults. It is generally made worse when the victim is a child.
I was emotionally and psychologically abused as a child. Do I not deserve justice?
Do the many children who are/were physically abused not deserve the same justice as one who was inappropriately touched?
I would argue that all forms of child abuse (some which are unfortunately legal), can be equally as detrimental and harmful. Yet, legislators and internet-extremists have a laser-focus fixation on ONLY the sexual form. Why is that?
Physical abuse is probably the easiest to detect, why don’t we see physical abuse registries? Is it rooted in religion and puritanism?
This fixation often reminds me of the outspoken, loud, Bible-thumping anti-gay folks that are often discovered to be hiding their own “demons” (as they see it). “Me thinks he doth protest too much” is a quip that stuck around for a good reason. When someone seems unhinged or overly fixated in their pursuit against a thing, I immediately suspect them of that thing, and it more often than not turns out to be true.
I just wanted to let everyone know I found out I’m on a gov watch list, and also I’ve been BLACK LISTED by wal mart and more and it’s spreading. I’m surprised I got to this site. this isn’t a hoax. write me I’ll get back to you.
Oh, please explain.
Good thing they don’t let registered sex offenders on cruise ships.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tomwarren/sexual-assault-cruises-carnival-princess-disney?utm_source=email&utm_medium=editorial&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=230331
ML posts an incredible report worthy of FAC publication.
Haven’t the cruise lines spent the last several years cracking down on sex offenders? Hasn’t that been the subject of hundreds of comments posted on this site?
The sex offender registry failed the cruise lines!
Miami New Times: Sex-Crime Victims’ Advocate, Attorney Accused of Amassing Lewd Child Photos
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/sex-crime-victims-advocate-accused-of-amassing-child-porn-16666611
In other news https://www.wesh.com/amp/article/florida-nikki-fried-lauren-book-arrested/43500978
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22-864/256412/20230307090908299_D.R.%20Cert%20Petition.pdf
https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/03/another-federal-agency-challenges-adverse-ruling-by-5th-circuit/
At the bottom of this article 22-864
Issue:
Whether the 14th Amendment’s due process clause entitles juvenile sex offenders to hearings at which courts have discretion to lift statutorily mandated sex-offender-registration obligations
Looks like they have appealed to supreme court HOPEFULLY they decide to hear the case. The could be a huge first step.
https://www.gwhatchet.com/2023/04/05/anc-chairs-sex-offender-registration-in-florida-spurs-calls-for-transparency/
Don’t know what transparency they want it’s pretty plain that it’s punishment nothing more.
If you ever forget that you are a registrant, someone will be sure to remind you.
Came across this link that looks up registrants by county. Could be useful if you need to do a mail-in campaign.
https://data.floridatoday.com/sex-offenders/
Congratulations
https://news.yahoo.com/brevard-settles-lawsuit-over-sex-090436235.html
https://rilawyersweekly.com/blog/2023/04/10/stable-2007-invalid-for-sex-offender-risk-classification/
I think he won
His suit. https://www.courts.ri.gov/Courts/SuperiorCourt/SuperiorDecisions/18-2467.pdf I guess he appealed
In North Carolina?
How did the registry help https://www.witn.com/video/2023/04/10/former-craven-county-deputysro-charged-with-having-sex-with-high-school-student-2/
Looks like a site ran your article
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/23/04/n31749931/florida-legislature-blatantly-ignores-constitution-in-passing-new-laws-claims-florida-action-commi
MI Court of Appeals: Lifetime Registration Not Cruel & Unusual
https://www.thealpenanews.com/news/local-news/2023/04/alpena-man-failed-to-prove-cruel-and-unusual-punishment-claim-court-rules/
“the grave nature of sex offenses … justifies lifetime monitoring.”
Once again the “frightening and high” myth is holding sanity and reason hostage.
They are equating the crime’s severity to lifetime registry being acceptable. That is the first time I have heard or recall that being used by a court in justifying the registry. That is Old Testament at its finest. Crazy. Where does murder come into play? Should a murderer not be a lifetime prisoner? There is a counterargument for those who are punished long term on the registry in the tiering schedule using the court’s argument to downgrade their punishment but I’ll save that for another day.
I came across this article https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2023/04/12/florida-lawmakers-insults-of-transgender-people-could-fuel-lawsuits/70104275007/
“ Should the bill become law, those remarks give fuel to potential legal challenges against it, two legal experts told the USA TODAY Network – Florida. His stated bias against transgender people could become evidence of a concept known as unconstitutional animus, or the idea “that it’s fundamentally in conflict with our democratic norms to use the law to disadvantage a discrete group of people,” said lawyer Susannah Pollvogt, who authored a paper about the concept.”
Has anyone heard of http://fordhamlawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/assets/pdfs/Vol_81/Pollvogt_November.pdf being used in our defense. You have politicians openly joking about how they want to punish us.
My husband and I are thinking of moving to Pennsylvania for a job opportunity for me. Does anyone happen to have any experiences there as an SO or know anyone that does who would be willing to chat with me? Not that I think anywhere can be worse than FL at this point but the grass isn’t always greener and I’m hoping to get some ideas on how my husband might be affected.
Contact our PA affiliate, PARSOL
https://parsol.org/#
My experience hasn’t been too bad here in PA. I have to register twice a year, no appointment needed. Just walk into the local PSP office and they update you in no time. No residence restrictions. Since getting off probation in 2021, They have only done a verification once and they showed up in an unmarked SUV and were dressed very casually and were very nice. No restrictions on where you can go, be it a store, movie theater, park or school. Basically if you follow the rules, you won’t have a problem.
Registry fails again:
https://www.wesh.com/article/baldwin-park-employee-arrested/43570690
A new motion filed to add out of State convicted Registrants’ who have now moved to Michigan and have been reclassified by MSP! Read below.
Greetings. As we explained in our last update, the case is now in “discovery” where both sides are able to get information from the other side in order to prove their case. During the discovery process, we uncovered information that led to the decision to add an additional claim to the current case.
In late March 2023, we filed a motion seeking to add this claim, which focuses on people with out-of-state convictions who are subject to registration under SORA 2021. Specifically, we argue that registrants with non-Michigan convictions are subject to harsher registration requirements than in-staters, and that they receive no notice or opportunity to be heard in violation of their due process and equal protection rights.
In addition to this claim, we also asked the court to certify a non-Michigan offense subclass that requested relief specific to this class. This class would consist of those of you within the class who are required to register under SORA 2021 based on a conviction or adjudication you received outside of Michigan. The Court has not yet ruled on these motions, but we will keep you posted when they do.
If you are interested in reading more about this new claim or proposed subclass or just want to stay updated on the class action, please remember to check out the Does III v. Whitmer website for the latest updates in the case.
Thank you all for your patience.
Do you have an old failure to register conviction? Go to the link below to file a motion to have it removed. This FTR conviction would have to have happened before 2021.
Here is the link to the 6.500 motions that registrants can file if they are challenging an old failure to register conviction. Tim, you can share this with registrants who ask about vacating FTR convictions under the old statute.
https://www.aclumich.org/en/news/what-you-need-know-about-does-v-snyder-ii
UN International Committee of Jurists (ICJ), UNAIDS and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) REPORT
The news article made the move to decriminalize sex offenses and concentrate on prevention and rehabilitation over onerous criminal sentences sound like they are in favor of sex with minors and other unsavory offenses. When instead the UN is simply calling for fact based laws, not emotional, vote pandering draconian laws.
Maybe so letters to the editor to explain would be in order…
https://www.liveaction.org/news/un-report-calls-sexual-activity-decriminalized/
Update on our lawsuit against the FL registry (re-posted from last fall):
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/updates-on-ex-post-facto-1-and-2/
Our original complaint may be found here:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/ex-post-facto-lawsuit-filed/
Excuse the sarcasm.
Shot a 6 year old girl in the face for retrieving a ball that rolled onto his lawn. He had recently moved there.
None of the neighbors needed to know what this guy was charged with and that he illegally had firearms… only 4 months out from being charged with a violent crime. At least the community unnecessarily
knows where non-violent sex criminals whose offenses were committed many years ago live.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/us/neighbor-child-shooting-basketball-singletary/index.html
“Singletary was charged in December with assault and kidnapping for allegedly attacking his girlfriend with a mini-sledgehammer and keeping her inside his apartment for over two hours, police said in a statement.”
The 5th amendment and sex offender “reporting”. Has anyone tried to challenge having to give information to the police as a 5th amendment civil rights violation?
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encountering-law-enforcement-questioning
I suppose this could be part of the ex post facto challenge. If a judge ordered the registration then maybe it would be required. But if the offense was before 1997 how are registrants required to provide information that may be used against themselves?
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2023/04/21/pensacola-sex-offender-richard-heighton-gets-20-year-sentence/70138979007/ 20 years for failure to register granted it’s not is first volition but 20 years for a civil statute and the original charge was from ‘84. When does it end?
I admit that I haven’t read his court documents, but 20 years in state prison is not possible for two counts of failure to register in Florida. Even if sentenced consecutively, the maximum punishment would be ten years (5 years for each third-degree felony). The only time failure to register is a second-degree felony (punishable by up to 15 years in state prison) involves failing to correct reported out-of-state travel plans that change once initially reported, so there must have been more charges other than just failure to register. It would take four counts of failure to register, sentenced consecutively, to add up to 20 years.
So all this is ones government in ACTION. How oppressing can it get. Power goes to many heads in government circles. Sure many can come up with a conclusion to all this abuse after ones debt is paid but the old phase is you can’t fight city hall but you can take the bull by the horn.
Many of you all on here as well as other Advocacy sites seem to post of current events of some police authority getting his or herself in a sexual type situation but the fact still is the same. Sure we are all disgruntled about this registry. Maybe we all should go back to Egypt and see how they oppressed them back in that time. or understand the book of Daniel a bit more before we make a conclusion about this government branding.
Seems like man wants to solve his or her own dilemma with his or her own understanding. Is it governments own design to instill evil and entice another in this carnal battle, ask questions latter.or who is bowing down to who.
If you plead guilty I’m talk to the judge and DA and everything will be alright. Sound familiar Talk about undercover authority abuse before and after the process is overs. I’m sure government plays this ruse all over the nation because we can. Authority was not set up to promote evil with enticements of some sting operations so in many ways they are yielding up their God gifted authority in this abuse in many ways.
Remember truth matters.
Going to throw this out there for comments. On probation, they can search your person,residence and vehicle. OK, You are required to stay within your residence during curfew. What I am getting at is residence and property are 2 different things. So, they search non attached sheds? Do you think that is a no no? What if you put up no trespassing signs. They will say it is implied that they can access your property. But it would be a funny argument. Was watching a Steve Letho YouTube video got me to thinking about it.
Maybe if we all regularly contributed money to FAC, and FAC made regular campaign contributions to Florida’s Republican legislators and donations to stuff like Lauren’s Kids, the legislature might ease up on us some. As stupid as that sounds, they might become more interested in us keeping our jobs and income. JK?????
FAC is a 501c4 non-profit organization and cannot donate to candidates.
Individual members remain free to donate to the candidates of their choice.
Yeah, I was just being silly. But when I thought about how, ironically, it might actually make a difference, paying cash for our god-given and constitutionally secured freedoms, I started laughing to myself, kind of dreadfully. Thanks to FAC for accommodating our occasional rants! I’m making another $100 donation today.
Good Day FAC
I am writing concerning the comment introduced by commentator #12.
What was asked for is very important but it is off topic as it came in under The call to action concerning LB’s amendment’s..
What was asked for is important and I think it should be a call to action on it’s own. It is getting muddy under all the comments on the other call to action.
We have all been in a charged up call to action. And for me a bit more clarity concerning this request is needed, it opens a whole new can of worms for me and others I am sure. As the freedom to travel is so important to so many of us.
Thanks again for all FAC does.
This is no complaint but a need to just put things in a proper perspective.
Thanks
Warning re: voting that’s now on the re-registration receipt (that you’re told to sign for). Sorry I don’t remember where this concern was first posted on FAC. However, here is the exact wording of the warning (in red):
‘Please be advised that as a registered sexual offender/sexual predator you may be ineligible to vote based on your criminal conviction. If you are ineligible to vote, and attempt to register to vote, or register and vote, you may be subject to arrest and prosecution for violation of 104.011, 104.15 F.S., etc. If you are unsure whether you are eligible to register to vote, or vote, you should consult with an attorney and seek legal guidance.’
So, nothing that we don’t already know.
As of current, if you only had one felony case and are not on probation or parole and had adjudication withheld, you can vote. If not, you have to write the clemency board and request for your civil rights to be stored. However, don’t take my world for it. Things can change very fast. Contact one the professional lawyers that FAC recommends and they will be able to guide you.
[Moderator’s note: The Florida Constitution states, “No person convicted of murder or a felony sexual offense shall be qualified to vote until restoration of civil rights”].
Imagine creating a government that is so big and incompetent that it cannot tell a person if he/she will be arrested and thrown into a prison if they simply want to exercise their right to vote. Imagine an incompetent government so big that it cannot interpret its own laws for the people they “serve” and tells them to hire a professional interpretter instead.
[Moderated].
I’ve got gotten three registry scam calls today from this number.
813-365-7964. Just FYI.
Ron Book was elected to the Tulane law HOF.
https://www.ibtimes.sg/sex-tape-florida-middle-school-students-airdropped-other-students-incident-under-investigation-64462
Wonder if they will be charged
Donald Trump was just found guilty of sexual battery. Does that mean he has to register as a sex offender bring he lives in Florida? And if so, how can he travel freely on his campaigns?
[Moderator’s note: He was found liable in a civil trial].
It was a civil case, not criminal. So it doesn’t mean that he has to register.
OK, so the registry doesn’t apply?
No. It’s a civil case. It’s what’s rich people do to keep from going to Prison. Poor people don’t get sued civilly. We get prosecuted and go to prison. That lady just wanted his money anyway.
[Moderated]. We need to boycott any and all business that support the registry as well as our representatives who support tier 1 registration in Florida or any other state.
What happened to my reply to this post?
If you said something positive about Trump, it was probably censored. I’ve noticed whenever I say something negative about democrats on the ASCOL site, it doesn’t get published, yet posts slamming Trump are allowed in. Not sure if that’s the case here too, but if it is, it shouldn’t be that way. If people are allowed to disparage one political party, people should be allowed to disparage the other as well.
Not accusing FAC of anything, just giving my opinion while following the TOS guidelines.
No I didn’t say anything positive about trump
I’ve been a tier 1 from New Jersey since it started. I’m a New Jersey Megans Law, retroactive, B52, Tier Level 1 who was forced on the the Public Registry. I’ve been fighting with Lee County for years that they are not allowed to be making my conviction public record. I’ve been screamed at by Sgt. Booth. When I told her I had a court judgement that was granted to me by the Supreme Court that says your not allowed to make my conviction public record she flipped out on me. She screamed ” Listen here, my Supreme Court ruled my laws Constitutional and my Supreme Court over rules your Supreme Court. I will punish you to the fullest extent of my laws an if you don’t like it MOVE OUT OF MY STATE!!!” If you know, you know. I was convicted before 10/31/94 NJ State AND 9/13/94 Federal. If Congress is prohibited from creating Expose Facto how can FDLE enforce it Expose Facto? I’m one of the first who have an actual tier 1 civil judgement that was reduced from a low 2 to a Level 1 by the court. I’m one of the original 52 who challenged the prosecutor an had a reduced tier by the court.
Am I mistaken, I thought Val Parkworst was deceased? I left a comment about Ron Book being elected to the Tulane Law HOF, and got a response from said person.
Not seeing any responses to that comment.
Her comment says “that’s what sex offenders continually gripe about “
Can you link to or show us her comment…not seeing it
Did you receive the link I sent?
I did not personally receive a link, could you post
Many of you all in Florida should look at this little win as a comfort type rest to many. An opportunity to rid the sex registry in many ways. So is biblical Justice the same as American Justice.
Type that in your browser and you will find a wealth of information to combat this also type in Standforfreedom.com as this registry isn’t doing anyone true justice in many measures.
Everyone’s ordeal is different yet authorities demean those in many unjust ways. Cherokee this is a challenge for you and many on the registry. FAC take not and also sound off to the other affiliate’s that are fighting for this end to the registry no matter what state you are in.
Nothing with a bit of Christianity in the mix.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/05/12/desantis-elections-police-arrest-fallout/
Another registrant caught up in the political game.
Glad to see the paper with held judgment on the registrant past and only really focused on the issue at hand. Also 10 years for failure to register I wonder if they gave him a chance to get into compliance? Yea right. Glad to also see he is getting free legal representation and hopefully one day we will all be allowed to vote.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/611538-fdle-arrests-three-sex-offenders-who-registered-to-vote/
Here’s to the hope that these charges are dismissed.
This terrifies me. My adjudication was withheld, so I think I can legally vote? I’m registered, but with these crackdowns I’m too scared to cast a ballot. It would be really nice to know for sure.
I was also adjudication withheld. I have voted regularly for 25 years. The withheld means that you are not convicted.
Thank you so much! I tend to be very fearful and overly cautious. At the same time, I can’t say I completely trust law enforcement officers to ask questions first and arrest later. I assume they can tell that my adjudication was withheld…but you know what they say about assuming.
https://www.tampafp.com/florida-sex-offender-registry-challenge-by-oregon/
I thought we addressed the statute of limitations
The addresses of sexual predators are supposed to be verified four time a year. The addresses of sex offenders are supposed to be verified only TWO times per year. In Volusia County, they check ALL registered persons, including offenders, FOUR times a year.
For the offenders who should only be verified twice a year, how is that not harassment?
It’s the same in Polk. Gravy Jugg says the additional checks keep people safe [eye roll].
I live in Michigan. I check in once a year and I can’t remember the last time a state police officer came to my house.
Mac:
VOCAL is very interested in what is occurring in Michigan due to the ongoing litigation. If you could email us at vocalchamp@gmail.com and update us as to what is going on in Michigan along with the city or county you live in, it would be greatly appreciated.
We will be posting updates and you can follow those updates at vocalhome.blogspot.com.
Following is Michigan ACLU’s litigation update page:
https://www.aclumich.org/en/what-you-need-know-about-does-iii
FAC Contributer #12:
Thanks for posting this. We are referring everyone to the Michigan ACLU update.
We have had several people telling us that they haven’t registered for years in Michigan and that the police aren’t bothering them [Moderator’s note: All who are required by law are urged to register. Anyone who feels they have failed to comply with the law must consult an attorney rather than share this information on a public forum]. We are actually preparing an article on this and need accurate information for our article. We need people on the registry in Michigan to email us their experiences and county or city at vocalchamp@gmail.com, so we can pass along accurate information in our article. We are hoping to complete and post this article sometime in June.
What’s going down in Michigan is exciting because it could eventually lead to bringing down Michigan’s registry in it’s entirety. We are trying to accurately report on this and how registrants are affected by the registry in Michigan and need their input.
Vocal,
It was only during the stay home order in 2020 when people were excused from registering, and it was for only just shy of a year. This was due to Judge Cleland, who handled our Does III case, issuing a TRO due to most registry offices being closed to the public. On the day the governor issued the stay home order, we were released from work early and it was my month to verify so I went to do it but was turned away at the door. This was before Cleland issued his order. If anyone in Michigan is not verifying, its not because of that order, which was lifted quite a while ago, its probably because the police are just being lax. There was a registered person 3 houses down from me who died in April 2022, and the website has him listed as non compliant for failing to register and the police have never been to his door to investigate. The house, which my landlady also owns, is now being rented to a new tenant.
I’m following Does IV very closely, so if you’d like any info I can share, I’ll be happy to assist. I’m in Oakland County.
VOCAL has been involved in Michigan’s registry from day one. Hal Nemechek was one of the first people to be put on Michigan’s registry in 1995. He tried to get meetings going in Battle Creek, but could never get more than one or two people to participate. Hal has since died.
Fred Farnsworth was placed on the registry in 2008 for a 1965 conviction. Fred has been involved with VOCAL since about 1990 and had a lot of organizing experience. He was meeting with a small group in Detroit until he died about 8 years ago, so the Detroit group is no longer meeting.
A group started meeting north of Detroit called Michigan Citizens for Justice, but that ladies son died and they haven’t had meetings in years. MCFJ continues to hold monthly meetings in Kalamazoo and Ann Arbor.
VOCAL was meeting in northern Michigan about 20 years ago but didn’t get enough interest and that effort died out. We are trying to restart the northern Michigan group somewhere between Traverse City and Alpena. We will probably be meeting in Gaylord. We will know more when we meet next winter. We are teaming up with the group that runs michsorna.blogspot.com. Their goal is to abolish the Michigan registry.
https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/05/18/data-suggest-changes-for-sex-offense-policies/
Worth reading
That is a great read, so true. I have always been amazed, that despite all the research, we have politictions who need to maintain and further their careers on the backs of those on the registry.
It’s not specifically talking about persons on the registry, but The Guardian has reported on Florida’s prosecution of voters, the questionable and confusing registration process, and the intimidation this causes for all voters. I feel this deeply, and I’ve been too frightened to vote since DeSantis began this witch hunt, even though my adjudication was withheld. The end result of these arrests is disenfranchisement by fear and intimidation. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/19/florida-voter-registration-voter-fraud-formerly-incarcerated
[Note: Your Moderator, while aiming to remain non-partisan, notes that the Governor has publicly taken credit for voting-related arrests].
Since I am unloading here is a great example of our judicial system.
The judge that sentenced me had been having an affair with a Prosecuting attorney, had children by this attorney, denied they were his children. And all of this happened while he was married to another woman.
This bible thumping narcissist hypocrite was also the chief justice of the court until the attorney filed a lawsuit against him for child support and he still denied the children were his until he had to submit to a DNA test.
All of this came out in the local newspaper. When it was all said and done the worst that happened to the judge, well he was removed as chief justice but stayed on as a judge in the court.
When I wanted my attorney to get the judge to recuse himself my attorney said he would not do that, he did not want to piss off the rest of the judges.
Today this judge is retired from the bench and has a private law practice. And that’s the rest of the story.
I have add this to my above comments.
The former Judge who I wrote about is now part of my former attorneys legal team.
Alabama sheriff takes law into his own hands https://www.wtvy.com/2023/05/22/pike-co-sheriff-violated-law-when-he-refused-release-inmate-attorney-claims/
Arrested on a second charge of inappropriate relationship with a student, this teacher is still innocent until proven guilty on either of the two charges, right? It will probably be easier to prosecute him since his bail is now $875,000.
https://www.wesh.com/article/port-orange-teacher-arrested-again/43980850
Wisconsin news looks like they won a court case where one conviction (cp) only equals one crime committed so it big for Wisconsin since they go from lifetime to 15 years
https://www.leagle.com/decision/inwico20230523g32
https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=659585
I am from Wisconsin so have been watching this case for a couple years now. I am really surprised it went this way. Small victories.
So, this is in FOX news today:
Published May 24, 2023 10:33am EDT
Federal court deals blow to ATF pistol brace rule ahead of gun accessory registration deadline
Gun rights groups argue ATF lacks the authority to force millions of gun owners to register their weapons equipped with stabilizing braces
Chris Pandolfo By Chris Pandolfo | Fox News
“Gun rights groups have argued in court that the stabilizing brace rule violates the Constitution by requiring millions of gun owners to register their weapons. The Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), one of the plaintiffs in the case, has called the rule “onerous and unconstitutional.” FPC brought the case to the Fifth Circuit after appealing a lower-court order from a Texas judge who declined to block enforcement of the rule while the challenge proceeds through court. ”
Not expressing any specific opinion towards gun rights, but… wouldn’t registering a gun brace be no more onerous than signing up for “The Price Club”?
People don’t seem to realize how closely all our rights are tied together and eroding one groups rights WILL eventually cause a landslide for all other groups. We are right back to Thomas Paine.
“He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” -Thomas Paine
Another Fake sex abuse case…
https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/how-to-create-a-sex-scandal-story-behind-docuseries/?utm_source=TMP-Newsletter&utm_campaign=ee922c2c0b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_05_25_11_06&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5e02cdad9d-ee922c2c0b-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D
Very powerful and sad article. Our legal system is a mess, I have no idea how we can repair it.
Good article from NARSOL
https://narsol.org/2023/05/the-danger-to-americas-kids-not-what-you-think/
Article from Utah that was interesting https://www.ksl.com/article/50650378/convicted-sex-offender-says-change-is-possible-but-more-treatments-needed-
Great article. I would hope more SOA would agree to be interviewed.
So in Colorado news https://www.coloradopolitics.com/courts/federal-judge-says-inmate-attacked-by-other-prisoners-cannot-sue/article_63e0a190-ffd1-11ed-8f18-935b6c3871f8.html
I don’t know how much more evidence the correction staff needs? Maybe seeing them in the act of stabbing you?
Must be a slow news day….
Local news shills present one-sided police-state “facts” while omitting law enforcement entrapment and hosting of honeypot websites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWTWDWpdFE0
[Moderator’s note: the segment, “reports of online child sexual abuse have increased 52% in last three years, nonprofit says,” does not appear to have been reported by shills relying on police sources. It is also not, as the Commenter has pointed out, a segment about sting operations].
FBI Jacksonville is part of the police-state.
“31.9 million tips about child sexual abuse material were received by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children last year”
NCMEC is NOT an non-profit. They are funded by the DOJ, i.e. police-state.
“In FY 2022, OJJDP awarded NCMEC $38.7 million to fund its activities. The center received an additional $6 million through an interagency service agreement between OJJDP and the U.S. Secret Service.”
https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/programs/national-center-missing-and-exploited-children
Has anyone traveled to Europe since the new SO passports came out? I know england won’t allow any SOs but I’ve heard other countries such as Germany, Sweden and France is ok. Can anyone give some feedback on personal experience traveling?
Thank you
I went to Gambia (west African) for the last 2 weeks of May. My stop over both ways was in Türkiye where I also stayed in a hotel due to the almost full day stop over.
I got my Turkish visa at the Istanbul airport for $40.
When I got to Gambia, I also obtained the Gambian visa at their airport for $150 (good for 5 years).
I had no issues. Not even upon arrival back in the USA. None.
Although I’m off the registry since 2018 (Connecticut) I was certain the felony record would give me problems, but alas, it did not.
Maybe it’s the countries I went to? I don’t know for sure.
I chose the Turkish Airlines route as it was slightly cheaper than Air France which would have made a stop over in Brussels, Belgium. I don’t know if that would have made a difference.
I got my first passport while on probation in 2008. My passport, probation and registration all expired in 2018. I had not used that passport but I also never got any notification that I has to surrender it for any “unique identifiers”.
When I updated my passport in 2018, still no identifier.
SOR FAILED AGAIN
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-school-superintendent-arrested-in-sting-in-which-officers-posed-as-teens/ar-AA1c3CVQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9ede651ed7bc4d5e9ee46c061662cbaf&ei=26
The Tampa politician guy is back in the news https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/tampa-cop-resigns-amid-investigation-of-political-player-with-sex-offender-past/ar-AA1caKvy
This new bill would be so helpful to us instead, I predict a carves out against us. It just one more of those things that show that the registry is punishment. https://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/2023/06/06/gov-desantis-holds-news-conference-bill-signing-in-wildwood/
Did you read the fine print,,,,,,,,Except sex offenders.
Where do you see the exception? I would love to hear from a lawyer. Because this bill/law raises the question of whether our registration requirements are actually public or private?
FAC did not oppose this bill. Where is the bill language that we object to?
While most of the voter case people took probation this guy got hit with 3 years https://www.wuft.org/news/2023/06/08/alachua-county-2020-voter-fraud-case-results-in-3-year-prison-sentence/?preview_id=347306
Again how does this not show the registry is punishment.
I have a question about the registry, if I were to go visit someone and I go to my local registration place or the sheriff department and let them know where I’m going to be, my question is will my information pop up where I might go where it could potentially jeopardize my friends lease since I’m on the registry, will her neighbors find out and most importantly will her landlord find out? The person I wish to see is handicap and in a wheelchair and the last thing I want to happen is for her to get evicted and end up on the streets…any thoughts on this matter please would be greatly appreciated thank you…Will
Does Florida consider cp, lewd & lascivious, or attempted l&l, etc… violent crimes? I been searching Florida government websites but could not find anything one way or another. Reason I’m asking there was a recent court case that said non violent crimes are allowed firearms
[Moderator’s note: this may be referring to Range v Attorney General, which was applied to a case of food stamp fraud in Pennsylvania]
I believe the answer is no to these being identified (in general) as violent crimes, BUT, you have to have your rights restored to be eligible to have access to firearms. I spent over 10 years with a request to have my voting rights restored and after Amendment 4 was passed Gov D had all the requests for restoration denied and a 5-year mandatory wait before I can even resubmit for my voting rights. I left owning a firearm off the request as I didnt want to give them a reason to say no. But shockingly, a big NO was the answer. Good luck getting any of your previous rights back.
According to my lawyer the answer is yes any sex based crime is considered a violent crime. That’s how they get away with discriminatory actions. Such as taking away the gain time incentive That’s also why we are linked with murders
Article from Arizona https://tucson.com/opinion/local/arizona-opinion-sexual-offense-laws/article_8396e7a8-0632-11ee-b8bc-e3aec13b8d43.html
That was a great article. And yet year after year we struggle for change; so much is left to be done.
https://news.yahoo.com/homeless-delusional-defendant-sent-prison-152901247.html?ref=upstract.com
I remember this article anyway man was sentenced to a 150 years good to see his conviction resentenced to a non life sentence
Just saw this https://www.daytonatimes.com/community/volusia-county-council-to-meet-june-20/article_3467ff5e-0c00-11ee-9110-136dbdde3851.html
Hopefully the residents of voluisa will be allowed to attend
https://vcservices.vcgov.org/agenda/agendas/20230620/Item-18-10855.pdf looks like email memo
New FAC members applying in St. Johns County:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpFI4B7KS9g
“For a majority of the cases, detectives posed as underage girls on various websites.”
https://amplifiedvoices.buzzsprout.com/1213727/13061108-emily-horowitz-breaking-the-stigma-from-rage-to-reason-season-4-episode-3
Came across this podcast should be interesting their interviewing Emily Horowitz
Very informative interview. I just wish we could get the politicians and others to read and believe the research is real, accurate.
https://spacecoastdaily.com/2023/06/watch-five-suspects-arrested-evicted-from-house-on-sheriffs-high-intensity-target-list-in-melbourne/
“In fact, since January of this year, our agency responded to 59 calls for service at the address for everything from disturbances, to sex offender verifications, narcotics investigations, suspicious incidents, and trespassing”
“Now think about that for a minute…that’s 59 calls for services that were not only a waste of our taxpayer dollars, but also took our Deputies away from being able to patrol our streets and keep good law abiding citizens safe.” Sheriff Wayne Ivey
So sheriff Wayne seems to be saying sex offender verifications are a waste of money.
Article was a bunch of d*** thumping by law enforcement. I’m curious about the sex offender verification claim though, there wasn’t any mention of whom was an offender in the five they arrested. If this was a nuisance why wasn’t action taken earlier? And yeah, address verification is a waste.
I agree, it doesn’t make sense!
I did some research, and one of the people who was arrested for resistance is indeed a registrant. However, I still think that the whole statement by Sheriff Ivey is propaganda .
https://news.yahoo.com/sextortion-crimes-continue-rise-across-111621539.html
Seems sex crimes are on the rise in Tampa
https://thetexan.news/anti-sex-offender-registry-group-holds-national-conference-in-houston/
Seems NARSOL made the news
Hello… where can my loved one find safe hotels/motels to stay at in Marion County? He will be there for work.
Hi Stacey,
Is he coming from another state or county in Florida? Either way, he will have to register the address as a temporary one with the Marion County Sheriff’s office. Additionally, Marion has a 1,500 foot residency ordinance:
https://library.municode.com/fl/marion_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=CH9.5HURIRE_ARTIIISEPRSEOF_S9.5-53SEPRSEOFRERE
The city of Ocala has the same restriction:
https://library.municode.com/fl/ocala/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICOOR_CH15PUHESA_ARTISEPROF_S15-3SEPRSEOFRERE
Please contact FAC Legal Committee for more info at legal@floridaactioncommittee.org
Dozens of volunteers with Changing Homelessness, alongside other groups, will collect valuable data on the homeless population in Duval, Clay and Nassau counties this week. The counting will start on Tuesday [6/27] and go until Thursday [6/29].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AL1OiIslYg
Quick question… I tried posting on the 9th but didn’t get a response, my question is If I were to go visit someone here in Florida, i do know I have to let them know where I’m going, my concern is are will her neighbors and landlord find out that I was there past 3 days, will my information pop up online for the neighbors of the person I wish to visit. I don’t want to put her in a bad situation with her landlord or her neighbors cause she is a stroke survivor and is confined to a wheelchair and I don’t want to jeopardize her living situation. I know I can visit for no more than 3 days, but what if I wanted to stay longer i just don’t want her to have any issues…any thoughts on this anyone
I would call and ask the local police department how they will do the verification process, explain the situation and see what they will do.
Okay yeah I think that would probably be best, I just don’t want her to end up losing her place over me coming over if I want to stay longer than 3 day’s. Thank you for taking the time to respond have a great day…Will
Absolutely never do any activity which would require you to register in Florida, you will never come off, even if you come off in you original state, The local sheriff will not only put you on the registry, they will book you into their criminal system and post a fake arrest record on the NCCI system.
If you must come to Florida only stay at one location for 2 nights then check out and go to another location. You can lead an unstable life like that as long as you need to and not be required to register.
Thank you for the response but sadly I live here in Tampa, I’m just concerned for her if this will affect her living status
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article276712141.html
Where are the Homeless in Miami? Seems the Miami-Dade Trust is not keeping accurate numbers of the homeless but yet he keeps getting grants for it.
That’s Book’s daddy. Always pushing for sex offender laws that creates homelessness – possibly to ask for more money for his Homeless Trust, but I’m just speculating.
https://www.wired.com/story/inmates-need-internet-to-prepare-for-life-after-prison/
Good article
However many registrants are denied internet even once out of prison while on probation and many are on probation for years.
The U.S. Sentencing Commission has released two reports this year suggesting that an increasing number of federal judges are rejecting the harsh recommended penalties in child pornography offenses. These reports include statistics showing that the Guidelines for such offenses are outdated and unable to distinguish between more and less severe cases and that, as a result, judges are rejecting the Guidelines. The reports also include statistics showing that non-violent sex offenders generally pose a much lower risk of recidivism than offenders convicted of non-sex offenses.
I was a departure in sentencing and recommended by the federal prosecutor. If i had a better lawyer i may have even gotten adjudicated. I didnt even ask for the departure and now the more i see this i probably could have fought this. Then came florida…
https://www.tampafp.com/florida-ag-moody-urges-supreme-court-to-dismiss-appeals-filed-in-2-death-penalty-cases/
Here is a case I would pay attention to. People convicted of a crime now are resentenced to possibly face the death penalty. The state tries to claim case is not ripe yet much like our case saying we haven’t been arrested yet so we have no standing. Maybe if our case makes it to the Supreme Court we can get an idea of how to frame our argument since this touches on expost facto punishment.
News Sharing is good. Course the old saying is no news is good news. So on this Fourth of July Weekend should we all say we are all guilty? Sure I’ve been on this forum and the other advocate forums for quite a while as many of you all have. None of us should be on this forum should we or do we all make mistakes or do we count our chickens before they are hatched. Try to understand man’s ways, advocate ways or equal ways and means. whether just or unjust. If you ask me FAC has a good format and yes there is justice at stake and also correction as well
Seems that many want their cake and eat it to so to speak. Some comments are good and bad on many of these advocate forums but many are opinions or like keeping up with the Jones. Should we all say prison or probation is bad or is it the principal of it all that we all should work on.
Their are many kinds of advocacy. There’s biblical advocacy, civil advocacy, Judicial advocacy, Justice for all. Their is also blind justice as well. One wonders which type is each person standing up for or is Liberty and Justice for all.
We’ve had a surge in activity on the human rights petition the past week or so.
https://www.change.org/p/public-sex-offender-registration-is-violation-of-universal-declaration-of-human-rights
FAC members who attended the NARSOL conference recently spread the word about the petition. Thank you to those members.
So there is an Amber Alert https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/07/03/missing-12-year-old-girl-last-seen-on-southside-jso-says/
I can only hope it’s a Romeo and Juliet simulation. The fact they know his name but can’t find a picture of him makes me believe he is not on the registry. And if this is the case how did the registry protect this child.
Sounds like the girl wanted to run away from home and the guy she called talked her out of it and brought her back home. But being Jacksonville, good ol’ Sheriff Elmer Fudd’s guys will probably try to turn it into a sex trafficking case. They wouldn’t look very heroic otherwise.
I can’t help but wonder how many registrant doors were kicked in during the 2.5 hour Amber Alert. Hopefully none, as it would take a few hours to assemble and brief all available LE officers in response. And it would have been pointless, since (not surprisingly) no local registrant had anything to do with the girl’s disappearance (in fact, the girl herself was the cause). But a few likely would have been registry violated for being in possession of blue M&M’s on a Monday or some other inane “nonpunitive” obligation of restriction.
So somehow we I believe got caught up into the LBGQT + s etc group anyway that is an issue for another time but this is what scares me https://newrepublic.com/post/174074/ron-desantis-just-posted-one-weirdest-vile-ads-political-history
I know, Twitter is a shit show right now but the video in the middle of the article will play. So we have in our state an active Governor who now openly brags about restricting rights to certain groups
(Btw site seems credible skews to the left tho on a trust factor)
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2023/07/05/former-officers-describe-working-in-florida-prisons-without-a-c-i-thought-to-myself-this-place-is-killing-me/
Of course we had officers continuously yell “put your shirt on”. I guess if they were hot they wanted us to be miserable. Mandatory morning yard in 90 degree weather etc
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/ex-florida-qb-jalen-kitna-agrees-to-plea-deal-18185955.php
Wtf I lm on for life and he gets a slap on the rest
OMG! Has anyone contacted the local news stations or newspapers about the horrendous disparity with this case and what really happens?
i will bet you this family, friends, etc made hugh political donations to ronnie or else im sure ronnie would had removed this state attorney we should do 1000 person marc at this court house for our injustice!!! what fing bs crap!!!
wish i had knowledge i would search for donations from this family or any business to ronnie
The judge https://circuit8.org/courts-judges/judge-susan-miller-jones/
Is a Florida Gator law school graduate, he played for the Gators how is that not a conflict of interest.
It will be interesting to see if she faces the same kind of backlash that Judge from California got when the gave the Turner kid only 6 months for rape. Alachua County did an investigation and no one before avoided jail time.
Yea I’m happy that he’s not on the registry here but something is fishy about this.
Even the Assistant State Attorney Brooke King https://www.linkedin.com/in/brooke-king-141153b2
Went to UF law school who was prosecuting him
His lawyer went to Florida https://toklegal.com/ron-kozlowski-bio/
Also if you Google Lauren Book and her dear ole dad their social media is silent as could be shouldn’t they be up in arms over this? Again I think optics is the only thing those people care about.
I know Florida is the Best Law School but what are the odds:
He plays at Florida
He hires an attorney who went to Florida.
He is assigned an assistant state attorney who went to Florida.
He is assigned a Judge who went to Florida.
No one saw a problem with this. Apparently
Has anyone seen the Florida quarter back got arrested for 5 counts of possession of child porn and distribution of same ? He plead guilty to 2 charges of disorderly conduct and given probation and no registry !!! His lawyer said it was a fair deal. For who ? If it was any of us that would not happen we would be in prison and marked for life. It was on 12 news
Yeah, when this story first came out, I read that one of the photos depicted what was thought to be a girl under the age of 13 engaging in sexual activity with a grown man. I kind of expected this outcome, though. America loves its athletes!
Is it really in our best interest to want to drag this young man down into the Hell where we were cast? Would it not be much better to be happy for him. I say good for him.
Bobby , it’s not about bringing this young man down the problem is the hypocrisy of the situation we get 5 ,10,20 years in prison and put on the registry for life but because of who he is and who his family know he don’t get anything
Again I say good for him. Good for anyone that gets a sentence closer to what this stupid made up crime should require. If more people got similar sentences then people might just see this for what it is . More outrageous sentences like ours only strengthen the public opinion that this is such a terrible crime
Don’t worry Bobby…those with money and power have always been above the law, that is nothing new.
However, to be glad about the inequality applied to some over others is NOT something to be happy about. You simply support the status quo.
But the registry was supported to protect children https://news.siu.edu/2023/07/07623-SIU-researchers-team-advocates-for-new-assessment-treatment-approach-for-juvenile-sex-offenders.php
Hopefully these science based research approaches spread to the south.
https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/national_news/editorial-desantis-has-yet-to-explain-why-just-20-ex-felons-were-singled-out-on/article_d819ffdb-0183-5a08-8c0e-9ee1146f5eca.html
I still can’t wrap my head around how you can offer voting rights for most felons but not all felons, how is this legal? I’m barred from voting based on being on a civil regulatory scheme which is not punishment according to lawsuits, however it’s the only thing preventing us from voting.
You can’t vote if you’re on the registry how is that not proof that the registry is not used as a form of punishment. They are using something that is supposed to be used for a guise as public safety as the sole blanket exclusion criteria. So how can they possibly correlate public safety with voting rights? People who commit a sex offense and murders lose their voting rights but all other felons get a pass?
AMENDMENT XIV
“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
It says “nor deny equal protection under the law” so how is it legal to discriminate against two categories.
When Amendment 4 was being supported by the ACLU there was a telephone / online conference where the ACLU was touting how great this bill would be once passed into law. I asked the person leading the conference call why specifically were two specific groups being excluded from the amendment. I was told for two specific reasons. 1. The chances of getting the amendment passed were much higher with the two groups excluded. 2. Once the amendment was passed into law, the ACLU would then sue the State of FL to have the remaining two groups included into the fold so that ALL felons would have an equal chance to vote. I tried to introduce some facts into the conversation and i was disconnected from the conversation. So much for the ACLU stand of representing the unrepresented. To my knowledge, the ACLU has not attempted to address the two groups excluded from getting voting rights restored… oh thats right, the State of FL changed the rules one the majority of FL voters said YES, Reinstate the Vote. Go figure, FL change the rules? I will step off my soap box.
If you “forget” your child in a hot car, you are not a “loving, responsible parent.” If the child dies, as five already have in Floriduh this year, you are a murderer. Gravy Jugg got it right this one time:
18-month-old is fifth Florida child to die in a hot car this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADRWq9uXnqg
Can you imagine the outrage if registered citizens had killed or assaulted five children halfway through the year? There would be a special session of the legislature with calls for mass arrest, detention, and castration!
https://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/2023/07/10/disgraced-sports-doctor-larry-nassar-stabbed-multiple-times-at-florida-federal-prison-ap-sources/
https://meaww.com/larry-nassar-stabbing-security-at-coleman-ii-prison-with-over-1-200-inmates-under-scrutiny-after-attack-on-disgraced-doctor
“The prison’s security has come under scrutiny after it was revealed that the attack occured after an altercation with another inmate broke in the cell.” So it was not a fight like previous reported but a pre plan attempted murder charge.
“one of the officers in Nassar’s unit was working a third straight shift, 16-hour a day while another officer was on a second straight shift during the attack. “”The staff are pretty much exhausted. They’re beat down. You cannot run a prison with that many vacancies and expect us to protect and secure those inmates,”
If you can’t provide basic services to the ones in custody, the officers should be in custody then. So the inmate just broke into the man cell, I guess he used a spoon and fork to tunnel into his cell or was the more likely reasoning the guard buzz open the door.
I have to believe that there is more to this story than what’s been reported. The union that represents the COs at Coleman have been complaining about the working conditions for awhile.
How did the registry protect:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-ag-calls-on-mark-zuckerberg-stop-human-traffickers-abusing-meta-platforms-public-safety-threat.amp
Gee Ashley Moody if you found “146 of the 271 reported instances of social media platform use in human trafficking were attributable to Meta platforms” over half and registered citizens are not on these platforms if safe to say these safeguards are not working.
https://www.courthousenews.com/8th-circuit-oks-conditions-in-embattled-minnesota-sex-offender-program/
Somehow indefinite custody is legal.
Remember to register people. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/fort-bend-county-sex-offender-registration-brian-walker.amp
60 years tho crazy.
60 years for failing to register is way above federal guidelines. This will get over tuned in the appellate court but it will take a few years to do. In some ways it’s a good thing to show how far of an over reach they have gone.
I think he was convicted in a Texas state court, not a federal one. In Texas, the maximum punishment for failure to register is based on the level of the underlying offense. If his Texas offense was a first-degree felony, a sentence of up to 99 years is legal. As far as whether that’s constitutional, that’s up to the appellate courts to decide. However, if it’s true that they gave him the chance to register before charging him and he refused, I don’t think the courts will have much pity for him.
I’m not sure what Texas laws are. But they seem pretty extreme. I’d tell anyone don’t refuse to register but say your registering under protest. Oh they hate that but there is nothing they can do. I’ve been told “GET OUT” when I did but they can’t enforce it. When they ask why tell them your Constitutional rights are being violated. Nothing more nothing less. It’s coming. The proof is going to be there soon enough. No, I’m not gonna take one for the team an be quieted down as we have a long way to go. I will fight for reform an sensible laws not abolish them. Megan a 7 year old gave her life for these laws I will not fight against that. I am going to give them one hell of a shiner an I have a bad feeling it’s gonna become big national news cause they gonna have a lot of questions. When it comes out where I’m from at the time in 1992-1993 who my Judge and Prosecutor were OMG are they gonna have a cow.
https://www.villages-news.com/2023/07/15/man-jailed-after-allegedly-attempting-to-use-pickup-to-run-over-sex-offender/
Hopefully the man does not escape justice.
How many times can they use the term sex
Offender in one article….jeez
The source is the Villages-news, which has a decidedly right wing bent. They claim to moderate the people who post comments, but that is not the case.
More facts? from local News4Jax
Estimated 500,000 predators have become daily threat to children on the internet, new data shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjFQ1QaRUNk
500,000 is like half of the registry today after 28 years. I think their 500,000 is a bit of an pipe dream they have. Next thing you know they will make it that were not allowed to use the internet at all.
If it really is that concerning, then why is the only thing they can think of to fight it is those stupid stings? How does that solve the supposed problem?
Do any of you guys know if we can take our kids to MOSI (Museum of Science and Industry in Tampa by USF)? I know in Hillsborough I can – generally – escort my children to parks and whatnot, BUT MOSI has an on-site “partnership school.” It’s out for summer, so I think that makes it legal for me to take them, but I’m hesitant to even risk it if I’m not absolutely sure. Has anyone been lately or have insight?
California sex management board has approved a “quicker” path for more registrants to get off https://all4consolaws.org/2023/07/casomb-committee-moves-forward-with-proposed-changes-to-tiered-registry-law/ now comes the hard part of someone sponsoring the bill.
Still way to long until you have to deregister but still vastly better than Florida which any sex offense is a life offense. If Florida does implement a committee board we need to fight hard to make sure it’s not over run sex with abuse survivors who see their role to continue the punishment under the guise of safety by still making our avenue off the registry nearly impossible. 30 years is crazy when numerous studies indicate that after 17 years of being in society crime free you have virtually a zero chance of reoffending so why 13 more years of punishment?
Also, it’s been 2 months since all documentation was submitted in the does vs SWEARINGEN case. Does anyone remember how long the judge took to rule in the online internet identifier case. Just trying to get a ball park of how long he takes to decide on case. I would think the longer he takes the more likely it’s to be in our favor, since they have to look at all the statues and see when it became a burden. The expectation being the Alabama case which this is trying to overcome.
It’s going to be 30 year’s for me this September 2023 and sad part is I was never supposed to be on here cause the law went into effect that said any new sex offense committed on or after October 1st of 1993 you would have to get your picture taken and register as a sex offender, my charges we September 28th 1993 and on the paperwork from the judge, I have to do 2 years house arrest, 4 years probation and 100 hours of community service, so why the hell am I on this cause I was charged as minor 2 counts Lewd and Lascivious
Hmm, the Federal registry law didn’t go into effect until 9/13/1994 under the VCC. I’m from New Jersey Megans Law I know when the law went into effect as I’m a retroactive Tier 1. You should have had State and Federal Due Process on the civil side if your conviction was before that date. Florida law is 10/01/97 unless you had to register in another state. Here is Federal Ruling on the registry if you were before the law. Federal: 3rd Cir.
E.B. v. Verniero, 119 F. 3d 1077 (3d Cir. 1997)
The Court held that “Due Process” under the State and Federal Constitutional law requires a judicial hearing before public notification can take place.
Wonder if I should just move away from Florida so I can try and enjoy the rest of my life without the stress of this damn Florida registry
It all depends on your state that you were convicted in an then the state where your going to. Florida will not remove you if you leave the state from what I’m told. I’ve had Attorney’s say if you get removed from the state your from then we can see about getting you off the registry here. ( Laughing ) That will cost you 25,000 or more an they still will not. Trust me something big is coming. Were gonna get a big win here about the registry. I’m gonna spank them really hard about it.
My conviction was here in Florida and I like the sound of that getting a big win, can’t wait for something positive to become of this.
It was my understanding that if you were convicted in Flordaa before 10/01/1997 you didn’t have to register. My conviction was in New Jersey under the first Megans Law. Being retroactive by 2 years and them using the Civil Side of the ACT under State and Federal Constitutional Law I was granted “Due Process”. Long story but I was tiered a Level 1 Register Only Not for Public Notification. I moved here in 12/1998 an they made it public. I was screamed at by Local Law Enforcement that her Supreme Court ruled her laws Constitutional and her Supreme Court over rules my Supreme Court. Yeah it’s about to get real ugly for them as I’ve now gone to the FBI with it. You can’t grant Federal “Due Process” hand down a judgement from the courts an then have Law Enforcement take it away 3 years later because they have a new law adding punishment of Public Humiliation onto this ACT. What were looking to find out now is who was at fault. LCSO and or FDLE. Lee County is up shits creek an no paddle that’s for sure.
If you were not on probation on Oct 01, 1997 you do not have to register, unless your case was after Oc 01, 1993 and the court designate you as Predator.
I wasn’t charged as a predator, i was charged as minor with two counts of Lewd & Lascivious and that was on September 28 1997. I was sentenced to 2 years house arrest and 4 years probation and there was no order by the judge to have my picture taken, my probation officer called me in one day and said i had to do this, so there for i complied to avoid any trouble.
Does anyone know what the residency restrictions are in Lafayette County? I called the Sherriff’s office two weeks ago and they haven’t bothered to return my call. I can’t find anything on the web.
Maybe if they actually did away with unconstitutional living restrictions then you would have this https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/investigations/what-did-florida-know-about-a-sexual-predator-camp-did-anyone-tell-the-public/amp/
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article277428983.html
“The homeless population of Miami Beach was 235 in January, according to the latest count by the Miami-Dade County Homeless Trust, an increase from 167 last August and the city’s highest count in more than a decade. There were 608 homeless people counted in the city of Miami. Those figures account for people living on the street outside of shelters.”
“Miami Beach officials have gone back and forth in recent months with Ron Book, a lobbyist for the city in Tallahassee and the chair of the Miami-Dade Homeless Trust, as Book has requested money from the city to support new permanent housing efforts the trust is pursuing.” The man’s wealthy if he truly cared about the homeless he would be inclined to use his own money to help fund the project instead of buying Lamborghinis and paying off the lawsuits. Ron Book cares nothing about the homeless only about controlling where the live.
I am in need of the email addresses for the Hillsborough Co Commissioners. All I can find are the online forms you can fill out. Thank you.
Commissioner Harry Cohen:
Commissioner Ken Hagan (Chair):
Commissioner Gwen Myers (Vice Chair):
Commissioner Michael Owen:
Commissioner Donna Cameron Cepeda:
Commissioner Pat Kemp:
Commissioner Joshua Wostal:
Orange or osceola county
Reply to moderator: Thank you for your comments. As much as I would like to help people with this problem, you are absolutely correct. In the four years I have been active with FAC, every county in Florida that has enacted harsher SO ordinances has done so because the surrounding counties had such ordinances, and they were afraid that if they did not follow suite, the registrants would start pouring into their county. This is exactly what recently happened in Hernando Co.
No county that I now of has enacted a SO ordinance because of an increase in sex crimes by people on the registry. It is always to try to force them out of their county, i.e., banishment.
I didn’t think about officials seeing this and taking action, and I apologize. Could my post above and the responses (including this one) be deleted, please?
It would be funny if someone one showed up and asked him how many were on the registry in you operations q and a session. https://westorlandonews.com/volusia-community-parent-meetings-on-internet-predators/
What’s the point of posting here? I either get fact checked or my post is not published. What rules did I violate with this post? No moderation? Not publishing at all is censorship.
“Public school janitor gets sweetheart deal for raping a child. Only 51 months prison followed by 10 years of SO probation. Meanwhile, CP offenders with no “hands-on” victims get decades or a life sentence in
prison. SMH”
[Moderator’s note: we do our best not to drag individual offenders’ names through the mud unless it is necessary to demonstrate a larger legal issue. It’s true that some CP cases get more time than some hands-on offenses due to the latter being harder to prove and subject to more favorable plea deals. We also know that sentencing in general can be all over the map, for a variety of reasons. From a 27-video clip, we don’t know the legal specifics, but we do know the perpetrator’s name and face, so we left it out, but people can google it].
https://www.hernandosun.com/2023/08/04/update-revisions-made-to-hernando-county-sex-offender-and-sexual-predator-ordinance/
Seems we’re fighting back.
Allocco said the need for the changes was brought to his attention after he was contacted by several people who were seeking clarification so they did not run afoul of the ordinance. “They are just trying to do the right thing,” he said.
Before seeking the changes, Allocco said he conducted an experiment to test the ordinance’s language. Allocco asked one of the concerned parties to contact the Sheriff’s Office to ask a specific question concerning the ordinance. He said the person was told that the answer wasn’t clear and they should contact an attorney. Allocco said he then called and asked the same question to a different person in the Sheriff’s Office and got the same answer. It became apparent that the wording in the ordinance wasn’t clear enough.
When people want to obey the law but can’t understand it without a lawyer, and law enforcement doesn’t understand it either, it’s a problem. It’s not fair to the people, and it’s not fair to law enforcement officers,” Allocco said.
I received my passport today. My attorney had my last passport and he lost it. So he paid me to get a new one and in June I sent in all the necessary documents along with the fee for expedited service.
No SO markings. My offense happened with an adult however I was still concerned my PP would be marked.
I don’t see why we can’t use this case as precedent https://www.npr.org/2023/08/04/1192295228/mississippi-felon-voting-law-blocked
It’s no different than Florida.
More good news Lifetime GPS in Wisconsin ruling
https://captimes.com/news/government/wisconsin-releases-sex-offenders-from-gps-bracelets-after-court-ruling/article_f399b2d4-3250-530d-964f-798eef014db5.html
I was an OTR trucker an was always wondering if FDLE or LCSO were using my phone as a GPS tracker on me. Good luck now cause I don’t want a cell phone.
More more good news https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/registry-to-life-sentence-tn-courts-remove-dozens-from-sex-offender-registry-after-successful-legal-challenges
Good article. The woman opposed to the subjects removal, uses the same/similar argument that the person victimized is always a victim.
Obviously not true for all of us on the registry. But does anyone or FAC have a better argument to counter that sentiment? I don’t know how to counter that. I don’t have a victim, but I have made amends for my actions to my wife, family and the few friends that didn’t disappear.
BWJ’s ‘the victim will always be a victim’ has three flaws.
First is that, telling a survivor that they will always be a victim is usually counterproductive to their recovery.
Second, different victims are different. Some suffer for life, while others recover, especially with proper counseling.
And third is that, even if ‘they will always be a victim’ is true, when that argument is used to justify the registry, then that is an argument for punishment. It’s an argument we can have a legitimate debate about (how much punishment is the right amount?), but it has nothing to do with public safety. It’s at least a more honest justification for registries than we often hear from our lawmakers.
So BWJ raises an important question.
They like the idea that the victim will always be a victim so they can justify they’re once a sex offender always a sex offender agenda
Notice that the purported victim advocates never celebrate (and even demonize, in some cases) recovered victims and claim the targets of their advocacy get worse every year despite their efforts (which should bring their approach into question, but never does). I bet far more sex crime victims recover from their ordeals than the purported advocates will ever admit.
Make no mistake – the last thing sex crime victim advocates want is a recovered victim. They’ve created the notion that sex crime victims are entitled to a lifetime of coddling and being denied what they want is somehow a “slap in the face.”
I think it’s more along the lines of justifying their advocacy and gives a abasis to solicit more funding for it. As is so often the case, follow the money.
Another point for you is a victim of sexual abuse becomes an abuser. The victim became the perpetrator they coddle until they can demonize oh the irony
Just sayin – That is a fact they do not want to admit. I saw that in ADTC as 70% were abused as a child.
I reached out Levi Ismail who did the piece and thanked him for being objective and fair. Also pointed out the advocates untrue statement that released PFRs will just “do it again”. Mr. Ismail has done a similar piece on Thomas last year that I recommend checking out. It was linked in this article.
https://ctmirror.org/2023/08/10/its-time-to-reform-the-ct-sex-offense-registry/
Good article
Got an odd question and see if anyone has had any experience with this. My brother is on GPS monitoring, his doctor wants him to wear leg braces for a few hours each day. Because this braces and molded to his leg and are custom fit. (imagine a piaster cast and not too far off). But is PO is giving him a hard time. You can not wear the brace and monitor at the same time. They wont allow him to remove the GPS. Any thoughts??
Hey jack there was a guy I knew that they amputated both of his feet due to diabetes. What they did was put his monitor on his wrist and checked it a little closer when they seen him to make sure he couldn’t take it off
I developed type 2 diabetes while on probation. Had to have surgery to amputate part of my foot, because of the surgery MRIs the hospital per, probation came and placed the monitor on my wrist.
https://www.wfla.com/8-on-your-side/pinellas-park-sex-offender-camp-residents-told-to-move-by-tuesday/amp/
Where can they go?
Thank you, Eugene, for alerting us about this worsening situation.
https://casetext.com/statute/florida-statutes/title-x-public-officers-employees-and-records/chapter-112-public-officers-and-employees-general-provisions/part-i-conditions-of-employment-retirement-travel-expenses/section-11223-government-directed-content-moderation-of-social-media-platforms-prohibited
(2)A governmental entity may not communicate with a social media platform to request that it remove content or accounts from the social media platform.
(3) A governmental entity may not initiate or maintain any agreements or working relationships with a social media platform for the purpose of content moderation.”
You know they send our email address to these social media platforms that’s in violation of these new rules.
yes it may be but there not doing it for content moderation there escape goat is its for public safty
The way you fight back is starting with something small. For instance, STOP giving your signature during compliance checks. They always stick that clipboard right under my nose first thing. It even has the “X” prepared with a yellow highlighter.
Just don’t feel pressured, intimidated and bullied into signing it. Just tell them “compliance checks are not an auxiliary function of the registration process.” If you sign it, you’re waving your right of innocence to any wrongdoing. You’re admitting guilt that you’re a threat and need constant monitoring. So, think about that next time they roll up.
If they badger and pressure you, reply back: “There is no sense of urgency or immediacy in any of this as this measure offers zero proactive benefit in lieu of public safety.”
Are PFR’s complying with the request to sign their name on the electronic pads (or whatever method) when re-registering? My registration receipt then shows my signature, agreeing to all of the rules on the receipt. Of course, I didn’t get to read those rules before signing.
This is very disturbing. Jacksonville considering modeling homeless project after crooked “Homeless Trust” in Miami…Ron Book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpQHlO9C-mc
Has anyone relocated to Georgia that can share with me their experience or know of an attorney or someone knowledgeable I can speak to before a relocation.
Best,
Those looking at Georgia might be interested to know that attorney Mark Yurachek was instrumental in eliminating Halloween signs there. He has also spoken to NARSOL members about the GA registration (and de-registration) process. Another GA attorney, Brandon Thomas, discussed the GA registry removal process as a guest on the Registry Matters podcast.
Have you received any information about this? I’ve been saying for the entire time that I was on probation that I would move across the state line once I got off, and I just got released last week.
The video from this attorney is very informative, although, he did make is sound more complicated than I was expecting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EuCggn5Wxc
Different laws for different folks. There are no residency or work restrictions, if committed before a certain date.
However, there are just a few simple things I must provide for my 2002 conviction and only one time a year. I can petition almost immediatley for removal. I have to be classified first.
I should of moved years ago. So far, this is the best thing I’ve ever done.
This is after your relocation to GA from Fl. So basically you will be free in Ga but if you move to NC from GA do you go back in because of Florida. Therein lies the ultimate?
Very true. Only “free” in the state if GA (if released from the obligation to register).
However, what Q said is what I believed to be true. IF you are leveled as a Tier 1, then you can petition for removal immediately, as long as you meet a list of requirements… No minimum 10yr waiting period.
Sounds worth it to me, but I’d like some level of confidence that I could be removed before making the move.
I agree I would keep my house here by a shack just over the GA line and Be free.
7th Circuit https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/22-2435/22-2435-2023-08-16.pdf?ts=1692199820
Ruled that a county (Wisconsin) can have a 6,500 foot zone wtf.
I wonder why the doe v. SWEARINGEN case in the southern district was postponed by the judge – did he provided a reason ?
My “brother” is on probation. His probation officer some out once a month for about 1-2 minutes,maybe every other month he will come out an extra time. But he has completed 80% of this probation but they wont let him off. The POs have no vested interest in recommending release or even helping(job security). But in his experience they are honest(they are not fabricating stuff to violate you, which would be easy to do) but they are lazy. What I would like to see done is making probation officers work more, ie have to make contact once a week. This would give them a reason to lighten their case load. I would make it harder in the beginning but help in the end. Any thoughts??
That could be a double edged sword. It may give them a reason to try to lighten they’re case load but it could go the other way and make the few honest officers start violating for minor or made up reasons. You must remember most of the rules are up to the interpretations of each officer. For instance you may not drink alcohol to excess. I asked one officer they said as long as your not causing any trouble your not in excess another said if he smells it or can detect that you have been drinking in any way then you are in excess . And the way Floriduh does things instead they would say they need more officers to get more funding ( don’t give them any ideas ! Lol)
Why would you rock the boat? Me po was very real with me the whole time. Hard at first and I actually finished on a Saturday and he called me to cut the ankle monitor off instead of waiting until Monday. If they aren’t riding your ass trying to send you to prison, don’t mess with it.
Speaking from my experience, if you have completed more than fifty percent of probation, you can petition to have probation terminated. Contact your attorney as they can help navigate the process. There were caveats to pulling this off, such as completed other requirements for probation, but my lawyer and I went before the judge and he terminated my probation. It’s not easy, and not a guarantee. My lawyer was mildly surprised by the positive decision on the first time . Good luck.
The less contact the better. If you are doing everything right. Stay under that radar. Mine tried to violate me because I went to a store to buy a swing for my daughters. The whole family was there and the victim happened to work there. Like how was I supposed to know. It was about a year before the end of my 10 year stretch. Also I did go back at 50% court date set so we went and it was like a week after John Cuey. I got denied. I did end up getting off about a month early.
Each case is different. I all the right things and didn’t cause headaches for my PO, other than questioning policy decisions that weren’t explicitly part of my probation. I had a good lawyer, a decent judge and was in the middle of Covid pandemic when I went to termination hearing. I certainly agree that you don’t want to antagonize the PO, but I do think that there should be a rational behind arbitrary restrictions.
Does anyone have experience, while on probation, getting Hawaii to accept their request to go there for vacation, a week?
Fake DNA scam don’t fall for it. Just called
[The moderator has removed the telephone number in case it is an innocent person’s number that is being spoofed]
Interesting article https://www.wpbf.com/amp/article/florida-pop-warner-league-in-jeopardy-due-to-athletic-directors-sexual-offender-past/44871062
Former NFL player and current registrant who oversees Pop Warner program in jeopardy
While no news is good news it would seems everyone is talking about punishment. Getting the registry banned would be to the good of true justice so is it is the right for authorities to rebuke and punish evil doers? Will authorities admit they are doing evil themselves? These plea deals are they a type of passing the buck or a saving face for those that compound and mislead others in immoral ways. Someone has to be leading.
One would hope the wording is still correct: judge not or you will be judged is still alive and well in America but with this sex registry issue it seems to be a battle of dark and light.
Another article https://www.durangoherald.com/articles/sex-offender-registry-meant-to-inform-public-not-target-offenders-officials-say/
Showing the downside of the registry.
They’re still clinging to the “not meant to punishment” lie. Champagne does a good job at playing dumb brushing aside those pesky side-effects of the registry being an actual hit less while defending the “merits” that will never work to promote public safety.
I see the same tired and debunked talking points they continue to use over and over.
I was just looking for some info that was on the site of Megans Law Foundation an it was no longer up. Rome is about to burn or maybe Atlanta. It was a good run destroying countless lives but it’s now showing to be unconstitutional in some places while others are getting worse.
Eugene V. Debs That was a good article because it shows what they call low level or Tier level 1 where Florida only have Level 2 or 3. They make everyone public record where some of us have Judgements of Registry Only – Not For Public Notification.
For we all offend in many ways and we all stumble. I’m sure police stumble or is everyone perfect. All Advocacy is good if the direction can make a difference or should all sex offenders say they were robbed or cheated in many ways.
Yes many were robbed, cheated, persuaded ,enticed, lead astray, etc in many ways. Many authorities don’t even understand what the two edged sword of Justice is all about which is the supreme truth. Much all of this sex registry is an internet based deception by authorities and cast many into homelessness, tarnish reputations, and are callous actions by police and government. Are authorities self-centered with the power that be.
Remember we wrestle not with flesh and blood… Actions speak louder than words. Calling out authorities on this registry ruse is a plus. Lets put an end to all this internet registry garbage. Even the deceptive nature is vain in principal and I’m sure many would agree.
Why is no one talking about the hurricane in the room? It’s coming in less than 48 hours. Shelters anyone?
Yeah, and I bet PFRs will not be allowed to take shelter in public shelters.
Never have been allowed in public shelters before. But shady Grady made sure to say if you were caught trying to go to one you would be arrested and that he opened the county jail as a shelter for us
Is arresting us for seeking shelter legal? I realize they need no excuse to arrest us, but is it literally against the law for us to go to a shelter? Would it be a county-by-county issue?
Shady Grady’s thinking is there are children there so we are not sure to be period. He got a lot of flack about it that was when he opened the jail up for us to shelter there. He found out that people change they’re attitudes when it comes to emergency situations when people were saying we had a right to be safe in a natural disaster like everyone else
It was during hurricane Irma if anyone wants to look it up
The Florida States Constitution guarantees section 10; that no bill of attainder, ex post facto or law impairing the obligation of contracts shall be passed.
A bill of attainder definition according to law.cornell.edu- “A bill of attainder is a piece of legislation that declares a party guilty of a crime. Bills of attainder allow the government to punish a party for a perceived crime without first going through the trail process” Courts have adopted a three-part test to determine if a law functions as a bill of attainder
1.) The law inflicts punishment
2.) The law targets specific named identifiable groups
3.) Those individuals or group would otherwise have judicial protections.
In Nixion v. Adm’r of general serves the court determined that punishment for the purpose of bill of attainder will be determined by considering:
1.) Whether the statue would historically be viewed as punitive.
2.) Whether the statue viewed in terms of burdens and severity, can reasonably be said to further non-punitive purposes.
3.) Was that a congressional intent for the statue.
I believe the congressional intent for living restrictions placed on people who committed a sexual offense were to restrict were people convicted of a sex offense from living from them a certain distance that they felt would be safe. To so called have a buffer around certain areas around the community that were off limits to people on the registry were children are known to congregate or frequent. I’m sure they would say that I am correct in their intent.
However, over the years this safe zone as increased from a state asked 1,000 feet to many local municipalizes, local ordinance and counties enacting 2,500-foot exclusion zones that now encompass more than most of the cities now have become effectively off limits to live in. While I’m sure they will say that they are doing it to protect the children. The obvious effects can be seen. Many registrants are barred from living with their support groups because it is located to close to a bus stop, church, daycare, school, etc.
Studies have shown that almost all people convicted for a hands-on offense knew their victim, also 95 percent of registrants do not go on to re-offended. How do living restrictions help the community if both of these are true it creates a false sense of security that makes people feel safe. This creates more of these unrealistic feel-good laws that don’t actually do anything except disguise the punishment that the laws enact. So, we have this all-encompassing ever expanding black hole where land is virtually off limits to live in. Many are arrested about lying where they live. Image that in jail for living in an area off limits. Sounds a lot like banishment, which exactly what living restrictions amount to. Historically living restrictions were aimed marginalized populations throughout the history of the United States. From Indians to African Americans, Jews etc. The restrictions that we face are no different than what they faced in the past.
You have many state legislatures saying they don’t want them in their community in the state legislature meeting this year, they made it blatantly clear what their intent is they want to feel safe and by doing that is through ever increasing restraints such as living distances. However, under Florida Statues 350.05 oath of office, before entering upon duties of his or her office each commissioner shall describe the following oath “Before entering upon the duties of his or her office each commissioner shall subscribe to the following oath: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, protect and defend the Constitution and Government of the United States and of the State of Florida; that I am qualified to hold office under the constitution of the state, and that I will well and faithfully perform at all times the duties of Florida Public Service Commissioner, on which I am now about to enter in a professional, independent, objective, and nonpartisan manner…”
So here we have the underline what they are supposed to do when elected to the Florida Senate. And, you have documented case after case where they push scientific studies aside to vote on objective feelings which is against the oath that they sworn to pledge.
So, in my mind all three prongs are meet in a bill of attainder We have seen living area used throughout history as the undesirable areas of town and exclusion zones, the second part if whether the statue viewed in terms of burdens and severity, can reasonably be said to further non-punitive purposes which when almost all of the people are not on the registry at the time of their offense and almost all the people on the registry remain crime free its safe to say it doesn’t. And last you have numerous politicians who openly say they want to pass these laws because they want their communities to feel safe when case study after case study shows residency restrictions due the opposite of this. They are supposed to enter the senate with being objective but as you can see, they openly scoff at the facts. I believe a bill of attainder lawsuit may be the way forward to get rid of residency restrictions. The residency restrictions only force you further and further out of the community, how can you not see the punitive intent? Has anyone know if a lawsuit has been tried with bill of attainder and residency restrictions?
sorry its so long but it looks like it describes our situation pretty well
https://www.themainewire.com/2023/08/nearly-half-of-maine-sex-offenders-released-between-2005-and-2019-offended-again-usm-report/
Fine print on page 36 only 3 percent committed another sex offense
Comments on this grossly misleading article are open at bottom.
I made a comment about this terrible piece of “journalism” I encourage others to do the same and also reach out to the site itself and call out this horribly misleading article.
Win in Ohio which is in the 6th court of appeals which includes Tennessee and Michigan. Anyway a man got convicted of a crime in Kentucky he had to register for 15 years, state said his time had to restart upon moving to the state, court said no it doesn’t. So now we have on state Indiana saying your time restarts which is in the 7th and this new Ohio case. So now we have two different interpretations of the law. https://www.courtnewsohio.gov/cases/2023/SCO/0831/220782.asp
[The Moderator observes that this case is from state supreme court rather than the Federal court of appeals for the 6th circuit. A welcome decision nonetheless].
Sorry mod. I was jumping the gun, I was just saying the state is more than welcome to appeal it to the 6th, which ruled in Doe vs Snyder ( maybe this case doesn’t cover this) in our favor. So the state would have an uphill battle.
Eugene V. Debs, Yes a much needed win that’s for sure. It’s about to get real here soon. If they push ( FDLE ) against the ( FBI ) then I think your gonna see some fireworks. I will be refusing to register in the month of October. This will start a chain reaction they cant stop. See the original law Megans Law is founded on that it is not an extension of punishment. Well we will now put a name to Doe vs Poritz in New Jersey where this whole thing started. “DAY” Allah Day… The NJSC ruling stated “Even though it is not an extension of punishment you must provide these men DUE PROCESS” Well it became an extension of punishment even after having Due Process caused by Law Enforcement of the state of Florida. See I have an actual civil judgement that many people don’t have. I was convicted on 2/19/93 before these laws. NJ used the civil side of the act to enforce registration on people who were convicted before Constitutional Laws. Now Florida is using Constitutional Law to enforce that they had the right to make my Tier Level 1 public record by their laws. This is why 39 Civil Rights Attorney’s in Florida refused to even listen to this. It’s a case that could bring the whole thing down because it proves the law is an extension of punishment.
[The moderator reminds all members to comply with all applicable registration laws].
Received a call labeled “Potential Spam” by my phone provider right at 9:00 P.M. The number was 850-407-7222. I screened the call with Google and asked for more information. They “said” 217-933. I “asked” why they were calling. They rep-lied “status.” I asked who was calling and they rep-lied “police.” I hung up, reported the call as spam and blocked the number.
http://www.northescambia.com/2023/09/century-man-gets-probation-for-trying-to-run-over-man-he-thought-was-convicted-sex-offender
Probation really? so now we need to worry about copycat crimes.
Going onto the https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights declaration page they list 30 articles that are supposed to apply to every person. No one shall be subject to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile. (Article 9) Most notably that everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (Article 13) Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than one that was applicable at the time the penal offense was committed (Article 11b). Also, everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for health and well-being, including housing (Article 25). Everyone has the right freely to participate in the culture life of the community ( Article 27) All of these the state of Florida grossly tramples our universal rights, so where is our remedy?
Local ordinances serve no purpose but to zone us out thru residency restrictions (https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1916&context=flr ). You the local system, the local council who continually push or more and burdens placed upon us in the form of exile, which is forbidden and it shows when half the town is off limits to live in. Forcing us into smaller and smaller clusters. Many times, these restrictions create homelessness and now they have a lower quality of standard living and there is no other correlation than being on the sex offender registry in Florida. The states response would be just move out of Florida which again is in contrast Article 13 that I have the right to freedom of movement and residence within the state. Seems the United Nations also care about ex-post facto punishment in Article 11, but the State of Florida continually increases the reporting requirements associated with the registry many effecting Article 27 as well think Holidays. And all of this falls under Article 11b Ex post Facto. Enough is enough
Eugene V. Debs >>> Don’t worry my friend, I’m just about ready to pounce on FDLE. My ducks are in a straight line right into the proof that even with “Due Process” this has now become an extension of punishment under NJ state and 3rd cir. court rulings of the Due Process clause because I was convicted criminally before the VCC. I challenged the Prosecutor after July 25, 1995 John Doe v. Poritz Due Process ruling and had a Civil Tier Level 1 Judgement before May 17, 1996 Federal Amendment. THEN >>> Lets go Federal – E.B. v. Verniero Argued October 21, 1996 – Opinion August 20, 1997 The Court held the due process clause under the State and Federal Constitution laws require a judicial hearing before public notification may take place. I want to know what LAW gives FDLE the right to exceed a court judgement making my conviction public record?! Come Oct. 31 I will be refusing to register. Shit is gonna hit the fan if they don’t work to resolve this before then.
[The Moderator reminds all members subject to Section 943.0435 of the Florida Statutes, to remain in compliance with the law].
I wish you the best, I would brainstorm with a legal firm and see how you can try to go forward your case while remaining compliant with law.
Eugene V. Debs >>> I seem to be turned away from every law firm I have contacted when they see how bad it will be. Unless I have been arrested they don’t want to know. I’ve called 39 Civil Rights attorney’s in Fl an not one bite. I have 3 in NJ who are waiting to shred New Jersey’s Megans Law which will make the Feds look hard at theirs after I prove FDLE was not to make it public record making it an extension of punishment.
[The Moderator reminds all members subject to Section 943.0435 of the Florida Statutes, to remain in compliance with the law]. Yes for sure please remain in compliance as I’m for Constitutional laws 100%. I’m trying to get this resolved before then also but if it isn’t I will be forced to refuse as it is violating my Civil Rights as an American. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus for civil rights in this country I will be refusing also as I may have a good shot of proving all the way to the USSC this is an extension of punishment. All I ask is for the million on the Registry to stand behind me.
Attorneys like to win cases. Especially those cases whose fees are paid by the state when you win.
So when 39 attorneys turn down your case against the state, that might be taken as an indicator of that case’s perceived winnability.
The good news is that, as I understand it, one of our ex post facto challenges is scheduled for trial in just three months.
Jacob >>> I’m well aware of them liking to win but some of them I can’t even get through the door as it is about a sex offender an the people I do get to talk with jump on the oh well you had to register in another state is how they got you. Have a nice day…. I’ve been kicked out of an attorney office being slapped with the May 17th amendment saying this is why. They just don’t want to be named in the suit that takes it all down. The Ex post facto challenge I don’t put much faith into it as I know how they work. I’d love to show these Attorney’s my case an see what they say. I’m 100% sure no state can deny a court judgement making it an extension of punishment.
https://www.masslive.com/politics/2023/09/mass-ag-campbell-urges-congress-to-study-ais-harmful-effects-on-kids.html
I don’t even know how you would stop it unless you just go after people who have it.
And of course it’s a “race against the clock” to pass more laws to “protect” fabricated children in the digital sphere.
Anything lazy, low=effort and easy, lawmakers will swoop in and “save the day” for easy political points and news cycles.
https://www.wengradio.com/news/two-north-port-men-rob-man-they-suspect-of-being-sex-offender
Seems the state should be on the hook for a lawsuit . Knowing keeping an easy to use guide to rob the registrants
https://thecrimereport.org/2023/09/07/judicial-clemency-does-not-forgive-sex-offender-registration/
Somehow they do legalese gymnastics in order to get the ruling that they want. If there’s three branches of government executive legislative and judicial, and they’re all equal, and they’re saying, only a executive pardon can be used not a judicial pardon what is the judicial process for? Just have a legislative and an executive branch just skip over the judicial branch altogether seems like that is what is happening to registrants rights.
To this man being put on the registry was worse than the 12 months he did when wrongly convicted. I hope this goes to court you can get money for wrongly, been convicted and going to prison, but you cannot receive money for being placed on the sex offender registry, and that’s what this man is fighting for and if we get that we can prove at the registry as punishment hopefully
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023/09/06/montgomery-co-man-gets-55k-after-being-wrongfully-convicted-of-crime-but-for-him-its-not-enough/
Wow, I had to make sure that I heard correctly. F.A.C a chance to go to Geneva, and not Geneva Florida but Switzerland! This is a real huge deal that could put a lot of external pressure on the US by finally acknowledge that the human rights is trampled on us by the Florida government. Should we have a comment page suggestion post so we might summit ideas that need to be addressed to the Geneva meeting?
https://ctmirror.org/2023/09/10/ct-sex-offender-registry-law-advocates/
Good article
One of the men behind the so called “predator patrols” was Florida cop who has recently been arrested on child porn charges.
https://news.yahoo.com/retired-cop-teacher-predator-patrol-013500440.html
Another town in Florida increases there residency restrictions https://crestviewbulletin.com/crestview-toughens-restrictions-on-sexual-offenders-predators/
Next course of action? https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article279297349.html
https://crestviewbulletin.com/crestview-toughens-restrictions-on-sexual-offenders-predators/
Missouri Alliance for Family Restoration
Here is a report to the human watch group from 2007 https://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/us0907/us0907webwcover.pdf don’t know if it will be any use at the Geneva conference.
It’s been saying what he have been yelling over 16 years ago and still is being ignored.
https://amp.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article279387854.html
Perhaps someone who’s eloquent with words should write in, what about the registrant who are not on drugs who will simply be arrested stemming from a civil registry scheme. And Ron Book believes housing is the issue, but only housing for some that would be us.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iobsAf-pwXw
Since this is a public meeting will you or can you please share this clip with the civil rights council that practically sums up what were against with residency restrictions? They have the evidence, but emotion takes over. They admit they want to banish us. They admit they pass the laws to get as many as they can arrested but yet it’s a civil scheme, so it’s not punishment.
I watched the video. This is not unbelievable, so wrong and it has to be illegal. These people are exactly what is wrong with our country. Florida is out of control.
True true true
Watching that Clearview video was a bit much. Hey I’m an offender but who did I offend. Sure in many ways we all offend and that came straight from the bible. This registry is nothing but abuse of fellow man for some gain glory by man over man in this sexual coy.
Sure its an honor for FAC to be invited to this HUMAN RIGHTS event but have not all human rights been abused since the dawn of time.
This expo-facto thing effort is baseless as is much of this sex registry. So who is watching over who. Is this registry some space race to see who gets the victory or the just understanding or cannot government count their mistakes and errors in judgement. On the human conditions man is just as sinful as the other person.
Just saw this https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/09/19/st-johns-county-commission-to-discuss-beach-renourishment-new-restrictions-for-sex-offenders/
Current Law
• St. Johns County Ordinance No. 2009-36 makes it unlawful for Sex Offenders to be on or within a Safety Zone (300 feet) of a St. Johns County park and recreation center, school, daycare center, arcade, school bus stop (when children are present), YMCA/Y WCA, designated Public Library Areas, public or private playgrounds, Boys and Girls Club’s facilities, youth camp grounds, or another other similar location or facility that is designed for or primarily used by children.
Proposed Amendments
• Update the existing ordinance to provide clarification to the notice requirement.
• Strengthen the ordinance by eliminating provisions that are ambiguous.
• Provide new and revised definitions.
• Extend the Safety Zone distance from 300 feet to 1,000 feet.
“Amenity center shall mean a recreational facility, including, and not limited to, clubhouse, swimming pool(s), playground, and open space, operated primarily for the use of residents or neighborhood groups and their guests. For the purposes of this Ordinance, amenity center shall only be enforceable when children are present.”
It passed 5-0
Anyone know whether St John’s new ordinance preserves the exceptions of the old ordinance (such as transporting one’s own kids, just passing through, attending a religious service, etc)?
Or did they strip those out?
Seems they left the exemptions in place from what I remember hearing about the meeting but expanded the ordinance from 300 feet 1000 feet
Update https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/09/19/st-johns-county-commission-to-discuss-beach-renourishment-new-restrictions-for-sex-offenders/
this case has been brought back to my attention https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/clements-v-florida/ I Supreme Court, gave them an extension until October 23 to file. Fingers crossed
any thoughts on it?
I really wished he raised the residency restriction argument, but apparently our side wrote 25 page paper to the supreme court 11th circuit had no comment and as you see on the link it went before a conference and now the Supreme Court wants to hear from the 11th. So apparently the Supreme Court is at least curious of the details. He filed federal so I believe a ruling here will effect everyone. I truly believe we are in custody if there is no end to this. And the Alaskan case we were free to live and work where we wanted now it’s almost to the point of just listing the things we can do. I believe Ketanji Brown Jackson will want to hear the case and chief justice, as far as internal politics of the Supreme Court I have no idea how they will gain from hearing this case but I do know they need to hear this case. Roberts will have to excuse himself, since he was original prosecutor I believe.
Maybe FAC will write a Amici in support of the hearing since the Supreme Court could potentially hear this case effecting everybody on lifetime registry.
On ACSOL site under this month general comments there a good summary someone wrote regarding this case.
Apparently the search engine for this website does not work very well. I searched for “Clements” and not a single result came up. Has FAC been blindsided by this case?
For those interested, here is FAC’s previous reporting on this case:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/lifetime-registration-for-florida-sex-offenders-isnt-custody/
I don’t know if you saw the article but out of all the petitions highlighted this week the choose to highlight this one https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/09/florida-man-subject-to-lifetime-sex-offender-registration-requirements-argues-that-he-is-in-custody-for-purposes-of-federal-post-conviction-laws/ maybe they view it has having weight we just need 4 of them to agree to hear it. They could of denied it at the conference where 7,000 plus decisions get denied yearly for the supreme court doesn’t wanna hear them that’s why Florida didn’t file a response it thought it would get denied like the 1,000s before it but apparently this case seems to caught at least one Judges attention otherwise it would of been thrown in the recycle bin when the scores of ones before it. So States deadline is Monday October 23rd and I believe the Supreme Court has 14 or so days to decide if they want to hear it so we should know by Thanksgiving if they will hear this case. This could be huge! here is a podcast that talks about it 277. The guy Larry is always pessimistic https://www.registrymatters.co/
It’s almost a year old but here was 11th circuit argument https://storage.courtlistener.com/mp3/2022/10/28/louis_clements_v._state_of_florida_cl.mp3
https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/09/florida-man-subject-to-lifetime-sex-offender-registration-requirements-argues-that-he-is-in-custody-for-purposes-of-federal-post-conviction-laws/
Not only is the article from the Supreme Court blog, they actually did along article about the case. maybe this case they think about hearing?
https://www.theamericanreporter.com/ronald-l-book-named-among-six-attorneys-defending-constitutional-freedoms/
Constitutional freedoms lawyer, what a crock.
Wow they mention all that but not one word about the fact he is partially responsible for homelessness in Miami dade. Nor his DUI and wreck or any other thing he’s done wrong. But if one of us saved someone’s life they would lead with joe blow a CONVICTED REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER saved a life his CONVICTION was from charges filed against him in 1925 blah blah blah .
Just saw this https://www.wcjb.com/2023/09/26/newberry-city-commissioners-discuss-current-code-sexual-predators-offenders/
Don’t know if they’re expanding it a rolling it back, but apparently thinking about doing something.
https://mccmeetings.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/newberryfl-pubu/MEET-Agenda-fb90159274d34bbcba4d279a92d0c97a.pdf item number 17.
Apparently the next county over in williston fl has more restrictive living requirements and they’re thinking about adopting those that they have over there in the neighboring town. Williston has 59 Registrants according to city data. Com and newberry has 30 residents according to home facts. This is the same issue that happened in Crestview, small town are driving residents out. What are the chances that 30 of those registrants committed a crime or the 59 in Willison? This has to be grounds for a lawsuit its systematic hatred.
I’ve noticed a trend in Florida in that all the central state counties are trying to “out tough” each other. Make no mistake, the cruelty is the point in the messaging and framing. It’s low-effort gentrification to give off the illusion of safety and order.
They actually think it’s creating a legitimate safety buffer. Bless their little ignorant hearts. What any reasonable person would call call gaining housing and neighborly goodwill, these local council members are maliciously spinning anyone with “that label” as attempting to “skirt” detection and gain “safe harbor” in their precious little communities.
Alligators are literally eating people daily, sink holes are eating homes and infrastructure, kids are getting shot up in public schools, but hey… lets distract from all that by targeting a group everyone loves to hate in order to make it appear like we’re doing something about “community safety.” Pfft…
Eugene V. Debs >>> Well my friend I guess the cat is gonna come out of the bag soon enough. I’m a John Doe in John Doe vs Poritz NJSC 7/25/95 ruling. Ground Zero for the Registry to those who look it up. This is the foundation court ruling of the Megan’s Law in the state of New Jersey where it started. This Registry was ruled informative not punitive making it civil not criminal being an extension of punishment. Then the ruling goes on for those who were convicted before Constitutional laws: Even though it is not an extension of punishment the state must provide “Due Process”. My civil D.P. Judgement because I was before Constitutional Laws was a Tier 1. This ruling was even before the 5/17/96 Federal Amendment. Yeah they are smoked an they know it, why they pushed it off on FDLE.
https://www.mainstreetdailynews.com/govt-politics/newberry-safe-school-transportation-options
Currently, Newberry’s code does not allow sexual offenders to reside within 1,000 feet, and predators 1,500 feet, of a state-defined “protected place,” defined to be schools, childcare facilities, parks, playgrounds and any other gathering place for children.
The city of Williston limits both to live 2,500 feet away from protected places, while state statute limits both sexual offenders and predators to a minimum of 1,000 feet from protected places.
Staff also asked the city attorney’s office about enacting a more restrictive code than the state’s, looking specifically at Williston’s code for reference. The attorney’s office advised that, while a stricter code would be allowable, it may not be enforceable because the state will not prosecute a local ordinance that is not also a violation of state law, unless the city enters into an agreement with the state prosecutor. ( does anyone know what he means? )
“Newberry staff learned there are 21 levels of sexual offenders, only five of which are required to comply with state residency radius restrictions. “
“If Newberry expanded the perimeters around its protected areas to 2,500 feet, the entire urbanized area would be off-limits for sex offender residency.”
Seems like banishment of future potential residents to me
Thank you for the link. I have been searching for more information. It is good to read “Staff also asked the city attorney’s office about enacting a more restrictive code than the state’s, looking specifically at Williston’s code for reference. The attorney’s office advised that, while a stricter code would be allowable, it may not be enforceable because the state will not prosecute a local ordinance that is not also a violation of state law, unless the city enters into an agreement with the state prosecutor.”
This is why Gainesville dropped its 2500-ft residency restrictions: The city attorney said a lawsuit is a lot easier to defend if the city is using the state’s 1000-ft RR.
looking at this site https://www.floridabar.org/the-florida-bar-journal/the-effectiveness-of-home-rule-a-preemption-and-conflict-analysis/
Seems there still is a way to challenge it.
There is a US Supreme Court case, they brief was just filed yesterday, I think. United States v. Rahimi it is a 2nd admin case. It is based on another case called Bruen(spelling). In that case the Supreme Court said you had to look at historical context in dealing with the 2nd admin. In this recently filed brief, the premise is the defendant had a restraining order, State said he could not have a gun. He was not a felon. The brief makes an argument, domestic violence was a crime,when the Constitution was written, and they had a type of restraining orders then, and they did not take their 2nd admin rights away. So that was not the intent of our Founding Fathers. We will have to see if the US Supreme accepts that as a valid argument. If so could we try and apply to our situation. Say in the 1000 feet rule. Violating our right to live where we choose. Just an idea.
More “custody” sweeps in Florida. So tell me again how we’re not in the laws custody when they routinely conduct these operations throughout the country and the throughout the year we are not under custody? https://www.aroundosceola.com/news/sheriffs-office-reports-86-arrests-months-long-operation-always-watching-predator-sting
Congratulations Osceola County. You just arrested a bunch of dangerous homeless people for being homeless or others for not reporting an email address. This is of course sarcasm.
Pretty impressive work by the Osceola Sheriff’s Department. They arrested 89-year-old [redacted] for omitting information on his registration form. Did he buy a new wheelchair and fail to report it? I’m glad the Osceola Sheriff’s Department is working hard to keep us safe. I feel safe already.
“are not under custody?
All these so-called “compliance” [moderated] shows are no different than “shakedowns” in jail and prison when they come in and toss your cell looking for contraband and drugs.
Yes, it meets the threshold and goes beyond the realm of custody.
It’s actually militant over-policing.
With the vast amounts of new social media accounts I see more of these types of outcomes accruing more and more https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2023/09/30/pontiac-man-known-for-pursuing-sexual-predators-killed-in-shooting/amp/
https://www.miamitimesonline.com/news/local/homeless-trust-awarded-8-4m-by-hud/article_a6148cec-6283-11ee-abff-7f0c6d4ce8c4.amp.html
8.4 million for HUD and not a cent to help registrants
So they interviewed the Governor and he is sensitive to the issue of giving the death penalty to register citizens based on the act that they have committed which they should be prosecuted for the crime that is very true, but is the death penalty the answer? Especially lowering the threshold, needed to send someone to death. What is to stop the criminal or the defendant from killing a child stopping the child from testifying or discovering the body I think this is a serious dangerous law because people panic and when people panic, they do stupid things.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/637859-ron-desantis-invokes-his-family-in-defending-new-child-rapist-execution-law/
Often as the story goes those who yell the loudest usually are the ones that try to deflect their own issues. Maybe in time he can see the other side of the issue now.
I know we don’t want to seem to single out a individual and focus solely on their charge but I believe that this guy was a public figure in the community who was well know lawyer in the law sexual abuse advocacy group and worked especially hard at punishing us.
https://themessenger.com/news/michale-t-dolce-attorney-plead-guilty-child-pornography
@Eugene
One has to wonder about those who are exposed to whatever they are doing to protect others, such as this gent in this manner, if they become numb to it and fall to it over time, much like a temptation for those in positions of power. Yes, projection by others onto others is because there is most likely guilt associated for their own actions, but to what path happens does the fall take and why? Is there trauma from before they are addressing? It would be interesting to get this gents story to see one side, one perspective, of his fall. Let’s hope he is able to use his legal knowledge to assist FAC, et al, the best he can for improvement in the area he now will be part of, whether in the cell or outside of it.
Happy to report we our at sea having a great time with our friends. No problem boarding!
Awesome, have a great time!!!
Let us know how it goes coming back in the US.
Thanks for letting us kn6
Sailtime
Maybe we have been approaching this from the wrong direction. We have numerous Call To Action issues that we try to fight. Some are good outcomes, others not so much. To my knowledge every item the City Council sees for a vote has to go to the LEGAL department. What if we reached out to the legal teams for each county/city council and shared the real statistics? Letting the legal teams know the days of them just beating on us until we are out of blood is over. We have a voice, even if very small. I just found out the new Mayor of Jacksonville has placed a new lawyer into the City Council. I am going to reach out to him and give him the rest of the story. See if he is concerned with the law or whats popular.
Good idea AL. Maybe this will be pursued by FAC Legal?
More alleged illegal activities by our lE community.
https://www.floridabulldog.org/2023/10/dozens-broward-sheriffs-deputies-face-indictment-burgeoning-ppp-loan-fraud-case/?rmail=1
Let’s see it they get signs posted in their yards.
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-sen-lauren-book-files-bill-to-ban-use-of-gay-and-transgender-panic-defenses-in-court-35264557
Lauren Book is in the news again. Standing up for human rights but has a bad habit of forgetting that PFR’s are human too.
[moderator’s note: registration is not mentioned in the article].
I wanted all of you that I was able to book a cruise on Princess Cruise line several months ago. We sail Sunday. I have not received any cancellation notice from Princess.
Good luck and enjoy please keep us updated. [moderated]
Thanks Not sure and Sailtime I will keep you posted.
Has anyone traveled to Italy or Greece recently? I know they are OK on the matrix, just makes me nervous to book an expensive trip with my family only to get turned away.
Thanks for the information.
Let us heard how it went
Sailtime
Even Judges are not above the law
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/10/13/gov-desantis-executive-reveals-child-abuse-allegations-against-florida-judge-who-was-an-attorney-in-casey-anthony-case/
Yea it is another fanatic Councilman named Danny Robins. I have copied his reasoning below from the webpage. He is using lies and unfounded scare statistics as usual.
Prohibited residences of sexual offenders, sexual predatorsresidency exceptionsMain Topic – ResidencyCurrently State law prohibits persons convicted of certain sexual crimes to reside within 1,000 ft ofChild Care facilities, Parks, Playgrounds, Schools.Today I am proposing a modest increase to the residency restrictions of convicted sexual offendersand predators to 1,500ft which is an approximate 6% residency reduction.Why? Society hasdetermined that sexual offenders, repeat sexual offenders who use physicalviolence, and sexual offenders who prey on children are sexual predators present an extremethreat to the public safety. Sexual offenders are extremely likely to use physical violence and torepeat
their offenses, and most sexual offenders commit many offenses, have many morevictims than are ever reported, and are prosecuted for only a fraction of their crimes. This makesthe cost of sexual offender victimization to society at large, while incalculable, clearly exorbitantand a drain on the resources of society.It is the intent of this article to serve as Volusia County’s compelling interest to promote, protectand improve the health, safety, morals and welfare of the citizens of Volusia Countyby creatingareas around locations where children regularly congregate in concentrated numberswherein certain sexual offenders and predators are prohibited from establishingtemporary or permanent residences.Item 04 – Supplemental DocumentsOctober 17, 202304-19
This Judge, Jeff Ashton, was an assistant Florida prosecutor who later got elected to State Attorney after prosecuting Casey Anthony. It’s also not the first time he’s been accused of inappropriate sexual things; he held a press conference years ago and informed the price that he joined a website called Ashley Madison (which is a known hub for prostitution).
Looks like Volusia is back at it https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/10/17/volusia-commissioner-pushes-for-new-rules-to-crack-down-on-sex-offenders/
Looks like it passed 5-2
Article on Daytona N-J website says that there is a final vote coming. The proposal also includes a registrant fee usual claim that the ordinance is targeting new registrants.
Not sure why FAC did not issue a call to action on the Volusia county ordinance. Guess this one got by them…
This is worse than the last ordinance in only a citywide change that got passed with much consideration by FAC.
We did put out two Calls to Action in June:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-stop-valusia-county-council-from-expanding-residency-restrictions/
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/call-to-action-volusia-county-drafting-ordinance-to-expand-residency-restriction-to-1500-feet-in-the-unincorporated-parts-of-volusia-county-for-people-classified-as-a-sexual-predator/
Additionally, FAC mailed through the USPS 16 pages of research. The sponsor then pulled the ordinance from the agenda. We continued to check their future agendas to see if he was going to bring it back. We reached out to him, also, asking if he planned on bringing it back at one of the county meetings. He never replied to us.
This caught us completely by surprise as we thought the sponsor had pulled it for good.
This is where we need help from our members. There are 67 counties, and board members cannot possibly keep up with all county and city agendas for meetings. This is where our membership needs to help out by checking all agendas for meetings in their respective county and the cities/towns within their county. Then let us know as soon as you see a proposed SO ordinance.
Please check the agendas for all meetings within your county. These SO ordinances are starting to spread far too rapidly.
It is easier to stop an ordinance before it has been voted on than after the vote has been taken.
Does anyone know if the feds track sex offenders using passenger manifests from airlines?
[The moderator reminds readers to be sure to follow all applicable registration laws when traveling].
Moderator should remind writers to not use derogatory hate speech such as this.
This comment parrots the propaganda of the criminal regimes.
He didn’t say anything derogatory. I know you’re use to the ACSOL forum, Will, where certain forum participants get their way, while the moderator “censors” views and words that fall outside their beliefs, and that goes with politics too.
Looks like Curious was/is trying to follow the laws by asking that question.
Good article
https://reason.com/2023/10/18/an-18-year-old-had-consensual-sex-with-a-16-year-old-he-went-to-jail-for-6-years/
Wish I could afford to buy a few copies of this book or heck even 1 copy. I’m sure it’s awesome and I know a lot of research went into this book; just wish it wasn’t so darn expensive but I do understand and I hope it can open up some eyes about the hit list.
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-hillsborough/tampa-city-council-expected-to-discuss-number-of-sexual-predators-in-ybor-at-thursdays-meeting
Geez I wonder why there all cluttered in one spot.
Video of the meeting 1:10 minutes mark. They pushed back the findings until I believe November 30th
link to the video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDyxFTD_lQ
Great find. It appears the report finds no correlation between SORR and reoffence rates and could be doing more damage. Am I understanding that right if so someone seeing the light
FYI, AI generated CP has become a major problem without much needed changes to the laws in the USA.
https://www.clickorlando.com/business/2023/10/24/ai-generated-child-sexual-abuse-images-could-flood-the-internet-a-watchdog-is-calling-for-action/
Good article about the sex offender registry in Tennessee
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2023/10/29/tennessee-sex-offender-registry-flaws-lawsuits/70965509007/ as well
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2023/10/29/sex-offender-registry-tennessee-dozens-removed-state-could-pay/71319235007/
why is it
” subjected to punishment that didn’t exist when they were convicted, which violates the ex post facto clause of the U.S. Constitution”
and not Florida?
so with the does 2 could that mean a split anf force the men in black dress’s to revisit?
Tennessee falls under the 6th Federal circuit, where many registry provisions are considered punishment, thanks to the efforts of the Michigan ACLU.
Update on my Cruise. My wife and I along with close friends sailed to Hawaii on Princess Cruise Line. I had no problem whatsoever boarding or disembarking in LA.
We all had to pass a facial recognition.
The ship did stop in Ensenada Mx. we stayed on the ship so I have no idea what would have happened if I got off
Thank you for the update.
So thankful you had great trip.
Wounder if there are others who would share their results of a cruise.
Thanks sailtime
Thanks Sailtime. We had a great Cruise. I too would like to know if anyone did the Caribbean.
Looks like sheriff Judd is facing a lawsuit https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/11/01/polk-county-man-sues-sheriff-over-child-porn-arrest-that-kept-him-from-family/
Judd, Chitwood and Lopez have apparently not read the Constitution of the United States, which they are sworn to uphold! By having news conferences every time they have one of their cutely named roundups placing the arrested individuals on public display and calling them monsters, deviants, and Predators, they violate their right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty.
The 5th amendment does not allow them to do this and every person on these lists should sue the sheriff’s department for the public shaming they endure.
Grady Judd us finally having to defend himself and his staff in court:
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/11/01/polk-county-man-sues-sheriff-over-child-porn-arrest-that-kept-him-from-family/
Worth the watch
https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2023/11/02/msop-moose-lake-behind-barbed-wire-pt-2/?outputType=amp
part 1
https://www.northernnewsnow.com/2023/11/01/msop-moose-lake-behind-barbed-wire/
While many of these sex registry issues are off the beaten path for many it seems many authorities are crossing the line when they ask another person to sin even implying for dirty pictures in all this registry fallacy. Why do you think Jesus spoke up about to those of his day a as hypocrites.
Sure there is good laws and bad laws and it would seem things can get corrupt with the many angles in this registry ordeal as in many other unjust issues that many can go thru. So speak out and stand up for true justice. Now many made errors via this inducement and for every action there is a reaction. Is this registry is a type of downfall for many in this type of devilish ordeal and yes we all can suffer in many ways.
https://lailluminator.com/2023/11/06/louisiana-judges/
Long story anyway a registrant who helped a guy with his court case reach the Supreme Court. Guy graduated 1st in his class from Tulane Law.
(Registrant lawyer is towards the bottom 1/3 of the story)
I Do NOT identify as a sex offender. The State of Florida and the USA identify me as that. So, why aren’t my due process rights and rights against compelled speech being violated?
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What does “moderated” mean in this post?
Not sure but I believe they (media FAC) took it out or moderated it.
Even tho this doesn’t really relate to our current situation https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/rats-moldy-food-leaky-roofs-problems-womens-federal-prison-florida-rcna124254
I thought was pretty interesting that the state prison system got called out like this. I know from experience we had these issues but seems the state would all ways have corrections back and just look the other way during inspection time.
This is not much different than I experienced in Jesup FCI when I resided there. Amazing that the IG said he had been on the job for 11 years and has seen it all before…some things never change. During the Covid lockdown, we were given “end of the world” box lunches for months at a time and some were so moldy you could not see the bread. In “B” dorm, there was a roof leak that was leaking in 2018 when I got there and still leaking in 2023 when I left. No accountability!!
NARSOL just posted the residency strategy for the issues residents face from the Houston conference this year. https://youtu.be/Y77E7lRq1FE
If anyone is curious about it.
If only Washington wisdom would spread here. https://www.thecentersquare.com/washington/article_dbea4d38-7ffd-11ee-b50b-738ee736a302.amp.html
Hopefully the idea of a prison alternative for strictly viewing crimes for cp crimes catch’s on for 1st time offenders.
A Florida man wants right to reputation after his son account is hacked online. Maybe this idea could gain steam, a Pennsylvania man is using a reputation defense in his state as a means to challenge his conviction on the Pennsylvania registry.
https://www.clickorlando.com/getting-results/2023/11/13/ucf-student-says-name-tarnished-by-racial-slurs-posted-by-imposter-on-x/
Eugene, it seems he was targeted by someone out to portray him as a radical Democratic upset at Mainor for switching parties. So someone set him up to make people think that he posted racial slurs about her. The problem with Bugay’s case is that there are many Alex Bugay’s on Twitter. So the other person can always say they’re referring to another Bugay. And no one can ever pin down which one, because the other person can always deny it’s the one. Also, there’s already an anti-defamation law on the books that benefit private & not public citizens. It makes me wonder why Bugay’s lawyers didn’t go that route. They probably believe that Bugay has crossed that line to public citizen thru his activism on Twitter X makes in a public citizen. As far as sex offenders benefiting from this reputation law? That will be a very hard sale to the general public.
Has anyone heard how the Ex Post Facto case, that was to be heard in Tallahassee yesterday, went? Is there a video link?
All too many of our group have problems in Marion County, Florida. Well, Karma is a b$#&h.
Florida deputy followed girl to McDonald’s after traffic stop, sent ‘inappropriate’ texts: police
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-deputy-followed-girl-mcdonalds-after-traffic-stop-sent-inappropriate-texts-cops
Illinois
https://ipmnewsroom.org/state-supreme-court-weighs-constitutionality-of-lifetime-restrictions-on-child-sex-offenders/
Hopefully these ideas can spread.
Now this article that Eugene gave link too, should tell many that are on the sex registry that much of this registry violates not only equal justice,due process, plus it goes against principals set in the bible and the principals would be more condemning upon law enforcement.
Setting one up in all this is a grave injustice that mankind is inducing over another. Its like a presupposition of a situation induced by law enforcement.
Michigan Update to the Class
(November 16, 2023)
We hope this message finds you well. We appreciate your ongoing patience and commitment to this case. Without your collective effort, we wouldn’t have reached the pivotal juncture we’re at today.
We are pleased to share that on October 2, 2023, we filed a Motion for Summary Judgment. This is a formal request to the Court to rule that we win on our claims based on the law and the significant evidence we have collected to date. The aim is to prompt the Court to decide on the foundational aspects of our claims.
In addition to the Motion for Summary Judgment, we also filed a comprehensive Statement of Facts that included not only a plethora of expert research on why registries are harmful and counterproductive, but also the compelling stories that you all shared with us about your experience being on the Michigan registry.
In our motion, we are first asking the Court for declaratory judgments on each count. If the Court grants us a declaratory judgment, it would rule that SORA is unconstitutional in specific ways. This is critical, because it would provide a clear-cut judicial declaration on the legality of SORA, as well as providing a basis for orders about what the state can and cannot do.
We anticipate that the government will also be filing a Motion for Summary Judgment in late November. We expect that Court to complete briefing on the parties’ motions for summary judgment in mid-January of next year. We do not yet know if the Court will want an evidentiary hearing, or when the Court will rule on our motions.
Tennessee:
https://www.newschannel5.com/plus/openline/issues-with-the-sex-offender-registry
Guy talks about the punitive nature of the Tennessee registry.
Florida man subject to lifetime sex-offender registration requirements argues that he is “in custody” for purposes of federal post-conviction laws – SCOTUSblog
https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/09/florida-man-subject-to-lifetime-sex-offender-registration-requirements-argues-that-he-is-in-custody-for-purposes-of-federal-post-conviction-laws/amp/
With the curfew(8 hours in lock down), checking in at the Sheriff often, POs “visit” more, there is not a lot of difference in being in work release. May we applied in other ways.
being put in jail if you seek shelter from Hurrican
Ok we got some movement on Does 1-5 vs Swearingen. But I don’t know what it means. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/25861536/Does,_15_v_Swearingen
Has anyone heard of this case Harper v. Glass , 4:21-cv-85 (N.D. Fla. 2021) apparently the judge mentions it.
Ok I’m an idiot, Harper vs Glass is the doe II case. So basically I believe the Judge is formally acknowledging that the case is on pause following the outcome of the northern district case
Maybe I’m reading this wrong but looks like the 11th circuit just released the decision.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/18-13188/18-13188-2023-11-22.html
Allows you to view adult pornography while on probation. Seem like probation said don’t view it since treatment doesn’t allow it. But now it does I guess.
Eugene.. Government has limited authority. Sure if people want to view graphic pics of nudity that is their individual right. All human rights are indivisible and interdependent. One set of rights cannot be enjoyed without the other. Even the law of the commandments says Thou shall not covet. That should tell even a Greek scholar something or what is the law of vain abuse can one say this sex registry scenario.
One could go on to say all things are lawful but all things are not beneficial. In other words its a type of character abuse by mans government with much of this registry. Even holding prisoners after prison by this probation type ordeal.
Eugene>> I’m still reading what was filed I’m looking for the Expost Facto suits links. Might have a Federal one coming soon against Florida if they don’t back down. Were still in the fact finding who is liable stage but will be presenting a case soon to the Feds on it. This is what I can say. Florida is a non retroactive state. They can only go as far back as 9/13/1994 with their law without running into the Due Process Clause on the US Constitution. They can not enforce any law past that date without Due Process or honoring one from the retroactive state if they are using it to put that person on their registry. They are implying it is because they moved here in 2006 that they can enforce 2003 Federal laws on a 1992 conviction. Oh they put it in writing!!! “While it is understood this is not the answer you desire…” Oh the heck it’s not. Lee County put your feet into the fire and they just ran you under the BUS!! It was crazy cause they were just grasping at straws not knowing how to play this but then still being ballsy with their mumbo jumbo Florida Laws but not one of them ref before 9/13/94 an they still try to act tough an might makes right and your wrong because we say your wrong. My fight is almost over. I have Federal E.B. v Verniero on my side as a Tier 1 showing “Punitive” and more. 25 years in one week from tomorrow
What happened to the Weekly Updates? Last one posted was October 28, 2023.
2024 Legislative Session Update
As of this posting, 599 bills have been filed.
So far, I see no bills of concern.
The session starts in January.
Happy Holydays!
Allan,
Again FLORIDA DOES NOT HAVE TIERS!!!
Florida has what they consider clasifaction of offender or preditor there are no tiers in Florida!!!
do not know what is so hard for you to understand!!! since you claim to be a legal eagle AGAIN PLEASE POST FLORIDA STATUE OF THE TIERS!!! if not please stop spreading false information!!!
Tennessee files ex post facto lawsuit
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2023/11/29/tennessee-sex-offender-registry-class-action-lawsuit-filed/71730792007/
Eugene>>> They are all gonna have bigger problems coming soon. “May Day” or M.D. v State of Florida. What would happen if the states lost the 5/17/1996 Amendment? https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/PLAW-104publ145 I have a very good case for challenge. I’m New Jersey John Doe Retroactive Challengers of the Megans Law Tier Level 1 by a court ruling. They just took away Tier Level 1 with this Amendment but removed nothing on our side to equate that the Federal 3rd Cir. showed what was not punitive just the classification Tier 1. We have no ability for us not to be publicly shamed. The state of Florida placed me into a Level 2 making it punitive on me for the last 25 years. Read E.B. v Verniero E.B. was for Every Body. W.P. wasn’t ripe that was We the People.
There are no tiers in Florida!
John Doe>>> Actually there is that was changed in 2002 – 2003 I think it was? When I was classified an Offender by Florida. I asked where was my Due Process is an was told there is no process. They are a 2 Tier Non-Retroactive system started on 10/01/1997. By using the 5/17/1996 Federal Amendment that removed the Tier 1 because they saw 528 of us as Tier 1 out of 1172 in New Jersey. 3rd Circuit ruling showed what was not punitive only to retroactive so they took away Tier Level 1 who were not subjected to Public Humiliation right after we were all Tiered Federally with this Unconstitutional Amendment.
Please provide Florida Statue number where there are tiers
You are either an offender or predator a 2 Tier level system. They did away with what was considered a Tier Level 1 in the 5/17/1996 Federal Amendment for the Megans Law of 9/13/1994 Read the laws. I’m not an Attorney but I know how to read an interpret their laws against us. The 3rd Circuit ruling was a big help for us today. They couldn’t rule on anything after 9/13/94 only for people before Constitutional law. They showed what was non-punitive in their ruling. Level 2 and 3 are considered non-punitive on retroactive. There were 1172 retroactive 528 were Level 1. This is what they saw almost half would not be on the public registry an that made them mad. I’m just waiting to see what was ruled on these 2 challenges before I do anything.
Again please post the statue as I’m trying not to be mis informed. But again Florida does not have tiers unless you can somehow provide that statue. * FAC please chime in and help stop this misinformation. This is not first time this person states there are tiers in Florida
There is no tiers in the state of Florida. Just 2 levels. a Offender and a predator. Most laws have no differences between the 2 levels. Other then markings on drivers licenses and community notification. Some municipalities could have separate laws based on offender or predator but there is not a tier system in Florida.
John Doe – FC16, I was going to reply with some serious stuff that is about to happen but I felt it best not for it to be public right now. John Doe, use that name with honor here as I am one of the original John Doe Retroactive challengers of the Megans Law from New Jersey. That is “Ground Zero” if you do not know. I’m also an E.B. challenger in E.B.v Verniero in the Federal 3rd Cir. what showed what the Federal Government saw as non-punitive in Tier Level form. I’m not here to dispute or give false information, I’m here just give a bit of hope that one day 45% who are being punished with public notification be removed to get on with their lives. The May 17th, 1996 Amendment is what changed the registry system from a 3 level system into a 2 level system. This removed the level that had “not for public notification” but they didn’t remove anything to justify it’s removal potentially punishing 45% on the registry today. There is a whole lot more but let’s see where these 2 E.F cases go. I’m one who is before Federal Law 9/13/1994 as FDLE used their 1998 state law to enforce I register as I had to register in another state but then used Federal law against me as if I were convicted after 9/13/1994.
Seems the real issue is that the registry is hurting her ability to sell her house for the highest value she thinks she entitled to so her solution is to try and find a way to make registrants homeless.
If anyone lives in ybor city the workshop is today.
https://www.wfla.com/news/hillsborough-county/too-many-sex-offenders-living-in-neighborhood-v-m-ybor-residents-say/amp/
So last month a 14 year old boy was shot and killed early in the morning in an adjacent neighborhood.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/11/27/ybor-city-shooting-suspect-jail-tampa-trial-video-gun-fight/
I didn’t hear anyone screaming for cctv cameras when a child gets killed throughout city yet seems to one of the “solutions” to deal with the mass of registrants located at 3 buildings.
https://www.youtube.com/live/CkyEruJtPdM?feature=shared
37 minute mark
Heres the news segment of the meeting if anyone is curious https://www.fox13news.com/news/vm-ybor-neighbors-brings-concerns-over-clustered-sex-offenders-to-tampa-city-council.amp
The council seems like they want to help but their hands are tied to our state law. Also they said that the council is not going to contact Tallahassee for fear that they will do the opposite thing but urged that the townspeople write their legislation.
If you’re high up enough in the food chain, you’ll never face justice for raping or abusing a child.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/politics/2023/12/01/judge-jeff-ashton-will-not-face-charges-in-child-abuse-investigation/
[Note: The Moderator has no evidence of any public official “raping a child”].
Here’s so.e evidence of a public official in that scenario.
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2023/09/20/shawn-jordan-charged-with-rape-of-teen-girl-south-bristol-ontario-county-former-rochester-ny-officer/70907500007/
Seems in the UK they are starting to realize that it takes a different approach to help people than the US system https://news.sky.com/video/should-there-be-more-help-for-the-families-of-online-child-sex-offenders-13022519
Very powerful documentary on HBO tonight titled Great Photo, Lovely Life. A true account of the granddaughter and her account of how her pedafile grandfather affected everyone’s life.
Tennessee:
https://www.courthousenews.com/tennessee-argues-to-reinstate-sex-offender-registry-requirements-at-sixth-circuit/
Will be interesting to see what happens here. The best way to end this debate for me is so simple. Place us under the registry scheme that was in effect at the time of offense and be done with the conversation. That would solve a ton of issues and the only thing I would add is also make a way for all to be removed. No matter what scheme you would fall under; AKA Pre Sorna, before 2004, between 2004 and 2014, between 2014 and 2018, and after 2018. With the later allowed to petition at 5, 10 and 20 year mark.
“Place us under the registry scheme that was in effect at the time of offense and be done with the conversation.”
That will not satisfy the Karens and Darens and haters of all persuasions.
They must and will support nothing less than death.
Ah that is a given. I was offering solutions to those in Tally that surf this blog.
In our deposition testimony they said they make every effort to not arrest someone over failure to register. I wonder if they granted that standing to this gentleman. https://www.wctv.tv/2023/12/12/former-tallahassee-law-enforcement-officer-arrested-failing-report-information-following-2004-sexual-offense-convictions/?outputType=amp
How can you seriously equate a civil regulatory scheme to this? If I forget to put a tag on a car at the DMV it’s a fine but it doesn’t equate to felony prison sentence, but this man is probably gonna do a year or two but if I forget the register a car like this man did, it’s a year or two year sentence how is that still civil? This is nothing like a DMV regulatory scheme. This is purely punitive.
Has any forced to register in Florida or any other state been able to obtain or been denied the TSA Precheck Trusted Traveler status?
I am registered in my home state of Michigan and unfortunately in Florida. I have a TSA trusted traveler number. My wife and I did a 15 Day Hawaiian cruise recently, no problems.
How long did it take for you to get yours? They told me 3-5 days but it’s already been 1 month. I thought the delay may be the background check even tho my conviction is more than 12 years old and I have no probation, just Florida’s registry.
I wish I could remember how long it took but unfortunately I don’t.
It was around 3 weeks
I have has TSA for several years
The rule is you can get it with no convictions for 7 years
Sailtime,
How long did it take for you to get yours? They told me 3-5 days but it’s already been 1 month. I thought the delay may be the background check even tho my conviction is more than 12 years old and I have no probation, just Florida’s registry
New Florida Bill banning sex offender High Schoolers from competing.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/article_e08a45aa-8eee-11ee-9fbd-c7a582c7eee7.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-sticky-siderail-latest
The provided link states “conviction” and then goes on to say “sentenced,” while the actual bills state “sentenced.” How is one sentenced without a conviction?
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/545
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/545/BillText/Filed/PDF
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/530/
https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/530/BillText/Filed/PDF
North Carolina Supreme Court denies man who’s been on Colorado and Florida registry for petition for removal from the registry since he hasn’t been in North Carolina 10 years. The scenting judge has a good point, because North Carolina legislators say 10 years from initially county convicted in, it says nothing about having to register in the North Carolina county first.
https://appellate.nccourts.org/opinions/?c=1&pdf=43045
Video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrB1zJ9k0AA
I’m confused. I live in North Carolina. I left Florida because of the draconian nature of the registry in Florida. It was my understanding that when I registered in Carolina that I could petition to be moved ten years from that initial registration. It would be something if I could be removed from the Carolina registry next year or in 2025 instead of 2031.
They’re saying you gotta live in North Carolina for 10 years if you’re at tier one with no mess ups “convictions” otherwise it’s 15 years, again I’m not a lawyer I posted this on ACSOL ‘s website so maybe one of the legal guys might chime in with a legal opinion.
I just don’t see how they recognize another states civil regulatory scheme, but they won’t honor the time that you spent on their civil regulatory scheme. It’s like the state wants to have it both ways they want to punish us for committing the crime, but won’t recognize the time served we have received since committing the crime in another jurisdiction. So our civil punishment starts all over again with all the penalties restarting.
Hopefully he appeals. South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, I didn’t check on Maryland and West Virginia, but they all are in the fourth circuit court of appeals and three of those states say you can get off early. I don’t know much about court nuances, but I just don’t see how Colorado’s registry is different than North Carolina’s registry. If they register upon conviction and both registry results in a prison sentence upon failure to register, it is punishment. The time on the registry is punishment you did your time. and since he live in Florida, maybe this will affect others of us as well.
Here’s what grinds my gears, we have Ohio that says that time a man spent in Kentucky time counted 10 years https://www.courtnewsohio.gov/cases/2023/SCO/0831/220782.asp but the bad decision based on ruling in North Carolina used as precedent https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/nc-court-of-appeals/1584294.html a man lived in Kentucky for 105 out of the 120 months (10 years) and North Carolina says that that time didn’t count.
So we have the Ohio Supreme Court saying the time in Kentucky counted then we have the North Carolina Supreme Court basing a decision on a bad case the Mitchell BORDEN case we’re an individual resided in Kentucky for all the 15 months of the 10 years and that time didn’t count. So I would challenge based on this. You have two different states saying that one honors the Kentucky registry and one doesn’t honor the Kentucky registry I would ask clarification from the courts on this issue why have 50 individual registry if the states are going to interpret them in their own way and not in a consistent way.
Like I said before I am under the impression that I have seven years left on Carolina’s registry. The fact there are inconsistencies between the states are frustrating. I moved to Ohio after my release from prison in Florida. Ohio originally posted me as a tier 3. Their high risk level, despite there being no victim. The reason why, “Florida said so”. I had to petition the court to change it to lowest level. I was convicted in 2014, so I was hopeful that maybe..
Thanks for all that you do. I appreciate it.
Michael Dolce, the attorney from Palm Beach County, who rallied for and supported the increase of time to the statute of limitations that would allow sex offense victims to bring a case against an alleged defendant, and who vocally supported increased protection of children from “evil sex offenders”, was just sentenced to 4 yrs. prison, followed by 15 yrs. probation and sex offender registration for possessing CP. I just shared the complaint and judgment on RECAP, but you can also see it on PACER if you choose. Case#: 9:23-cr-80063-DMM All Defendants USA v. Dolce. Another hero bites the dust.
NARSOL posted their residency restriction conference today from earlier this year https://youtu.be/uRFWiX052ts?feature=shared
Also this conference is new as well https://youtu.be/k_8fLg5avKk?feature=shared
If anyone lives in the Tampa- St. Pete area the zoning issue is on the calendar for tomorrow item number 66 https://tampagov.hylandcloud.com/221agendaonline/Meetings/ViewMeeting?id=116&doctype=1
Looks like this is open to the public.
I imagine they’re trying to find a backdoor option to evict as many residents as they can thru some zoning technically.
Dang it they pushed it back till January 25th
Senate Bill 1534 becomes law on Jan 1, 2024. The law changes Florida statutes so that only a judge can set, reduce or alter a defendant’s bail.
It also amends state law so that a person cannot be released before a first appearance hearing if they were, at the time of arrest, designated as a sexual offender or sexual predator in this state or any other state.
Sometimes, first appearance hearings can take days or weeks. And, even then, this law might be more likely to discourage a judge from even allowing bail. This law applies if one is arrested for ANY reason.
I am surprised that we did not oppose this terrible bill. Re-arrests of former sex offenders tend to be for technicalities, not re-offending. What a cruel waste of tax dollars.
Good catch by RayO, and a warning.
Related bills SB 1534 Pretrial Release and Detention and HB 1627 Pretrial Release and Detention keep registered citizens from getting out on bail until their first appearance and then “a judge must determine the appropriate bail, if any, based on an individualized consideration of the criteria in s. 903.046(2).”
We tracked these bills, but did not actively oppose them because 903.046(2) already kept registered citizens from getting out on bail before first appearance. All these bills did was add more non-sex crimes to prevent people from bailing out before first appearance.
The above is good to know, and I am thankful as always to our Legislative Committee and its volunteers.
In Michigan news the Michigan Supreme Court will hear next month if a non sexual crime warrants placement on the registry
https://www.courts.michigan.gov/news-releases/2023/december/supreme-court-schedules-january-oral-arguments/
PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, Vs.
CORA LADANE LYMON, a/k/a COREY LYMON
“The Supreme Court denied the defendant’s application, but granted the prosecution’s cross-application to address whether requiring a defendant to register as a sex offender under the Sex Offenders Registration Act (SORA), MCL 28.721 et seq., as amended by 2020 PA 295, effective March 24, 2021 (the 2021 SORA), for a non-sexual crime, such as unlawful imprisonment of a minor, constitutes cruel or unusual punishment under Const 1963, art 1, § 16 or cruel and unusual punishment under US Const, Am VIII.”
Florida News our motion survived a motion to dismiss the complaint https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/50847156/Kirkpatrick_v_Kerner
However the injunction was denied.
What is Kirkpatrick v. Kerner about? It appears to be on the Middle District of Florida, whereas we have a case for PFRa in the Northern and Southern Districts as well. Thanks.
It’s about being predator marked on a drivers license. From what I first read in the PDF file. Defendant Dave Kerner is the Executive Director of the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. This is the same district as me so I want to see what is in the courts already. The one to watch in the one in the Southern District of Ex Post Facto but I fear it will get shot down as it is only just before the state law being on 9/03/1997 not the Federal Law of 9/13/1994 and the Amendment of 5/17/96. Did he have Civil Due Process under this act by the state of Georgia? I’m not an Attorney but I’ve been in this game since the beginning in New Jersey. I’m a John Doe Retroactive challenger of the Original Megans Law. We challenged it in Federal court already under E.B. v Verniero ( Every Body Retroactive ) the Ex Post Facto Double Jeopardy Clause an what was considered non punitive in Federal court. This Amendment took out the civil classification level of not for public notification but didn’t remove anything to justify it’s removal making it all public. I earned “Not for Public” classification in court under the due process clause but FDLE refused to honor it. How good would it be if we prove that potentially 45% 35,000 here in Florida are being punished with public humiliation? of the 1172 retroactive 528 were classified not for public. that 45% who were not going on the public registry.
Thank you for the update. Can you fill me in on what this case was about? I don’t recognize the plaintiff and defendant’s names.
Sorry, yeah I didn’t list the info of the case, this is in regards to the drivers license branding. I don’t have a pacer account but it seems we tried to get injunction which would be hard to get and it was denied, but it looks like the case has merits and will proceeded again I’m not a lawyer so I’m just trying to make sense of it but this is my best guess.
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/court-challenge-in-florida-concerning-branding-driver-license-with-sexual-predator/
-Whatever happened to doe v. SWEARINGEN. A group of Florida registrants with cases dated prior to Oct 1st, 1997 arguing about the violation of Expo facto clause which was allowed by the 11th District Court to be sent back to lower court to be reconsidered as a continued violation of doctrine ?
Hopefully that case was not married to any other case being argued in Fl that may have a registrant defendant with a case dated after 1997 ?
The case has been stayed until Judge Hinkle rules in the case from the Northern district of Florida. The one in the Southern District of Florida will continue after that ruling.
Another registry joins the list https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/12/27/special-persons-registry-aims-to-improve-relations-between-police-and-people-with-special-needs-mental-illness/
Yes, another registry. But this one is optional and without any penalties. Ours is court ordered with criminal penalties for failing to comply. Huge differences.
The irony is, many on the registry have special needs along with the plethora of mental health issues the registry CREATES for those forced to register.
I agree.
In the coming New Year I would like to see an article by FAC about whats wrong with the registry. Yes in many ways FAC’s hands plus other advocates hands are tied to some extent although we all press on.
While Florida seems the worst place for those that get trapped in all this sex registry shenanigans in many ways, one should understand many in all states are being railroaded also in many ways or where is true justice today.
Seems like this registry is getting like a quality control ordeal of a milk shortage. One is dealing with human lives factors and also undue punishment. due process and fair treatment for many in many of these issues.
So apparently we’re all evil scumbags according to this sheriff.
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/sick-individuals-nassau-county-sheriffs-office-sends-community-update-operation-fail-festival/57INIQGNGFCY3HO7DLQG5VWT3E/?outputType=amp
It’s all gonna bite them in the ass one of these days. 2024 is going to be a good year for us. More news coming soon.
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Tennessee case: Roath v. Haslam https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/tennessee/tnmdce/3:2017cv00995/71241/253
Apparently, in Tennessee, they did legal gymnastics to rule that the man was an ineligible to sue since his registry was time bard, For some reason. I was hoping this case would go differently since it’s in the 6th circuit.
Alabama news: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/alabama-cannot-ban-sex-offender-parents-living-with-kids-us-judge-rules-2024-01-11/
Wasn’t there a bill that tried to do something similar here in Florida?
Michigan news: Supreme Court case Michigan vs. Cora Lymon audio from yesterday about being placed on the registry for a non sexual act. But the suit is challenging the registry as a whole. Kidnapping. Worth the listen https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=shared&v=D9StNu-mBpY
So I watched the video and I thought the attorney for Lymon was right lymon should not be on the registry. What I got out of listening to the 2 attorneys for the people was, well, a lot of fast talking mumbo jumbo. Legal cases thrown back and forth.
This is, n my opinion, what’s wrong with our laws and court system. Lymon did not sexually abuse anyone, the bottom line is he is innocent of that and must be removed from the registry.
This was the previous court ruling https://mitchellhamline.edu/sex-offense-litigation-policy/wp-content/uploads/sites/61/2022/08/Michigan-Court-of-Appeals-Decision.pdf if you want to do more legal reading.
The previous court ruling said that Sorna is punishment not just to him but everyone. This man should easily win his case. What they are trying to do is overturn the ruling by the lower court to only apply to him and not the registry as a whole. It’s like when the defense finds the perfect plaintiff so the defense argues this ruling should only apply to him.
This is EXACTLY why I’m not rushing to file suit against FDLE. I don’t want this to just apply to me an not to 45% of the registrants with what they did with the May 17th, 1996 Amendment. They create a Federal law then slip in an Amendment that added public shaming to all but then say it’s a non-punitive scheme when the 3rd Circuit shows it would be punitive to 45% of registrants with it being public. My question to everyone is: Has anyone convicted after 9/13/1994 had an actual Civil Due Process Court Judgement or just a Criminal Due Process Judgement they used to place you on the registry? In 1972 SCOTUS ruled there are 2 sides to an ACT. Criminal and Civil. Do they provide Due Process on the civil side or blend it into the criminal judgement? Every time they put me under a new law I have always ask where is my Due Process?! I’ve been told by Law Enforcement “There is No Process your an Offender” or How many do you expect to have? Well, I only expected to have 1 but I had 2 an the Retroactive Civil Judgement you used the Registry part but refused the “Not For Public Notification” part of it making it Double Jeopardy under the Ex Post Facto / Double Jeopardy clause of the U.S. Constitution. WE GOT THIS PEOPLE!
Michigan update:
We hope this message finds you well in the new year.
We are reaching out to share a brief update in the case. As of December 29, 2023, we have filed our briefs for summary judgment, including our response to the state’s motion for summary judgment. These documents are now available on the Does III Website. This briefing phase of the case is expected to conclude by the end of January. Currently, we are awaiting information on whether and when the Court might hold a hearing in the matter. We will keep you informed you of any continued developments.
As always, for those interested in the details or wishing to access relevant court documents, we encourage you to visit the Does III Website linked to this email.
Thank you all again for your patience. We have made significant strides and will continue to keep you all updated on further progress.
Sincerely,
Does III Litigation Team
Respectfully Tim P ACLU of Michigan SOR Specialist
So heres a new one: went to VCSO for my bi yearly. No changes to any information but the person asked: have you downloaded any “communications apps on your phone” thought that was new and odd. Also asked if i had any travel coming: i said not at the moment and she asked me to think about it because i need to report it. I said i always do. Just an fyi
A while ago i submitted the travel form they use where it asked to state reason of travel etc. I know a letter was sent to vcso but never heard again. Any word? Thanks for all you do!
Plead the 5th, Jim
Almost sounds like VCSO is fishing for a violation. My experiences with them, were always borderline nasty and hostile to the point of being in fear of being arrested for breathing. I wonder if that’s the clerk’s additional requirement or one Chitwood or Volusia County installed.
Just laugh and say “you don’t reserve the right to know.”
Any more dumb questions that will have no impact on public safety?
Supreme Court news: The court will take up an issue on homelessness camping https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/justices-take-up-camping-ban-case/
In the brief to the court https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-175/275911/20230823153037814_Grants%20Pass%20v.%20Johnson_cert%20petition_corrected.pdf they mentioned this case https://casetext.com/case/state-v-adams-499 where a man was denied release from prison since he was a registered citizen. There states out there that will hold you past your sentence. If you do not have a residency a lot of halfway houses, transition houses whatever you wanna call them will not take us. So this could be important to us.
Also this is challenging the 11th decision, in Joel versus Orlando as it makes reference to that as well. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-11th-circuit/1287187.html
So Kentucky plans on introducing a bill to pay innocent people money for the time they spent falsely convicted
75,000 for death row
65,000 for regular prison
25,000 for parole, post incarceration probation and get this the sex offender registry. Why would they pay you the same amount of money as parole and probation, if it’s not custody it’s just the registry it’s purely civil, so why would they give you money unless they know somethings wrong with it and they know it’s punishment which is why there giving falsely convicted people money for their troubles.
HB 178 would grant $65,000 in damages for each year a claimant was falsely imprisoned. If that person was on death row, the damages would increase to $75,000 per year of imprisonment. Damages of $25,000 would also be awarded for each year a claimant spent on parole, in post incarceration supervision or on the sex offender registry, whichever is greater.
Read more at: https://www.winchestersun.com/2024/01/17/bill-would-compensate-those-wrongfully-convicted-of-crime/
I think this needs to be clarified as it says:
“to pay innocent people money for the time they spent falsely convicted”
“These people have to prove under this bill actual innocence to get any recovery,”
I have a feeling it’s another Lawmaker legal Attorney scam they are pulling on us again. Just like the “For 4,500.00 I’ll do an assessment on your case” kinda crap I’ve already gone through which is a joke. They dig until they can find a way out of it or pay hundreds of thousands to keep the B.S. going only to be held up in court for years. There are how many Ex Post cases going today in Florida? This was put to rest in 1995 in New Jersey and the Federal 3rd Circuit in 1997. It’s exactly what they want us to do is keep the wheels going round and round but not getting anywhere costing millions only to be smacked down by a Federal Court.
There are 9,362 registered in KY, I don’t think they are gonna pay out 25,000.00 a year or 234,000,000 gross per year for placing someone on their registry that SCOTUS has ruled it’s Constitutional under Doe v Smith FDLE threw at me back in October. ( It’s a joke really they screwed up ) People be still waiting for their 40 acres an a mule our ancestors were promised so don’t get your hopes up to high an be spending any money yet.
2024 Legislative Update:
SB 1230 Sexual Predators and Sexual Offenders
On Criminal Justice Committee agenda Tuesday 01/23/24 1:00 pm
This bill has drastic consequences for all registered citizens
– Changes definition of day to include any part of a calendar day.
– Makes it impossible to be removed from registry.
– Any duration of travel outside the USA is reportable (previously five days or more).
– Each instance of a failure to register or report changes to the required information specified in this paragraph constitutes a separate offense.
I wonder if the following type of public service announcement might help those who have left this “free state” of Florida but remain on its registry:
“Ladies and gentlemen of Florida – many dangerous sex offenders and predators in this state have contemplated leaving the state in order to get off of its registry. However, once they realize that Florida will still keep them on the registry forever, they figure it’s not worth the effort to leave the state after all. It sounds like Florida doesn’t want them to leave! You should ask your legislators why. Think of your children and your property values.”
I like that
Hialeah bans use of recreational vehicles for housing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYh5lCXIE04
Sure, let’s create more homeless for Don Crook to “manage” and bilk millions more from Floriduh taxpayers.
Police say teen lied about being raped in Pembroke Pines
I’m shocked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oih13DUJ8HE
Florida news: Man wins Internet identifier case. Apparently he allegedly solicited a minor after incarcerated and probation. He allegedly did it again the state tried to violate him for failure to register an email identifier somehow he use that case a few years ago with the guy in Tampa said all sanctions were not paid yet he was still on probation, so he never had a registered sex offender. Then the legislator changed the law the next year to say, and instead of or I guess somehow through some legal lease and he’s right but allegedly so far I haven’t read it all.
I don’t know they wrote a lot about it. It must be very important. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/fl-district-court-of-appeal/115750803.html
“At the time of Mr. Crose’s alleged offense, he was required to register as a sex offender following his release from “the sanction imposed,” not just a single part of the sanction. Because probation was part of Mr. Crose’s sanction and he was still serving that probation at the time of his alleged offense, the circuit court correctly dismissed this charge. See James, 298 So. 3d at 94.
Having so held, we acknowledge that our decision today calls into question the continued effect of certain portions of supreme court precedents, including Lowry, Lanier, and Leftwich. We, therefore, certify the following question of great public importance to the Florida Supreme Court pursuant to Florida Rule of Appellate Procedure 9.030(a)(2)(A)(v):
CAN A COURT CONSIDER A CRIMINAL STATUTE’S SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENTS TO CLARIFY A PRIOR VERSION OF THE CRIMINAL STATUTE CONSISTENT WITH THE SUPREMACY-OF-TEXT PRINCIPLE SET FORTH IN HAM V. PORTFOLIO RECOVERY ASSOCIATES, 308 SO. 3D 942, 946 (FLA. 2020), AND CONAGE V. UNITED STATES, 346 SO. 3D 594 (FLA. 2022)?
We have answered the question in the negative and affirm the order below accordingly.
Affirmed; question certified.”
This is going to get appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, so if I’m still on probation I don’t have to register Internet identifiers is what this case is saying in the second which is Tampa area
so if I don’t register Internet identifiers, why do I need to report out of state travel, I’m not a registered sex offender yet? So why would you pay probation? This is going to get interesting.
MAKES ME WOUNDER IF CONVICTION DATE WAS PRIOR TO STATE TRYING TO CORRECT LAW AND I DID NOT PAY FINES N COSTS IF ONE COULD USE THIS ARGUMENT TO BE FREE?
opps caps
The exploitation of prison labor, and one of the leading reasons for doing so, as well as keeping the number of people in the system.
https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-c6f0eb4747963283316e494eadf08c4e
Proximity law removed due to constitutional challenge, similar to Florida laws such as Brevard County. When will these be challenged here?
https://ww1.womenagainstregistry.org/windsor-locks-connecticut-voters-repeal-law-limiting-sex-offenders
https://x.com/nateraymond/status/1753477944234676736?s=46&t=FQwmh3t1lJzxoYUftc09YA
Interesting case out of Chicago. Will probably be overturned on appeal, but still.
For those of us who live in Duval County, Action News Jax (30 & 47) will be airing an “investigative” report tomorrow (2/15) during their 5:00 afternoon newscast about the registry. I encourage all my Duval pfr’s to watch it. I’ve no doubt they’ll be ramping up the public hype and paranoia about us by presenting lies just like ch.4 does. Please make a point to watch this and email action News Jax with any rebuttal.
I watched it via their website. As always it’s a twisting of the truth about recidivism, how many PFRs are in Florida communities, and using one horrible crime to highlight why we all must suffer with our families. Their recidivism rate of course did not separate new sex crimes from FTR. They need to hear from us…they will hear from me via email.
The use of Taxpayers dollars?????- child sex stings – the bait and switch devious scheme used on adult websites to entrap men. These men end up on Florida’s life sex offender registry.
https://floridianpress.com/2024/01/online-sting-operation-bill-to-catch-pedophiles-passes-florida-house-committee/
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/1131/BillText/Filed/PDF
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/1131
Terrible tragedy of another believing the other way out would be better than the future label.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/woman-found-dead-months-after-being-arrested-for-indecent-exposure-coroner-s-office-rules-suicide/ar-AA1lDJjY
This below video would be a good link to a playlist on the FAC’s YouTube channel.
The Unconstitutionality of Sex Offense Laws – Catherine Carpenter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ct5YLdRUk
Way to go Carol. I always did like Ms Carpenter and she does have guts. I noticed she wants change… How about starting an all have Sinned movement” and that includes Government also in many ways. I am sure governments are sticking to their man made commandments.
One wonder who the Pharisees are today in modern government today.
Here is another YouTube video which might be of interest and add under a created playlist at FAC YouTube channel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKcInKFQPw
https://www.wired.com/story/florida-teens-arrested-deepfake-nudes-classmates/
Another case of kids potentially being placed on the registry.
Louisiana bill: any person convicted of a sex offense shall be subject to a vasectomy.
https://legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1346582
Okay that sounds completely unconstitutional. Cruel and unusual punishment. Second, what about someone who committed a felony that has already had a vasectomy? Third, what about the occasional female that ends up on the registry? How is this bill even logical?
Would be very interesting if the person is a woman
Just like the Bible intended, right?
Are Volusia deputies the real predators? This article gives insight into their intentions.
https://www.clickorlando.com/getting-results/2023/11/01/career-criminal-unit-makes-sure-volusia-sex-predators-offenders-follow-the-rules/
So sheriff Judd big bust in Florida 16 registrants were arrested however looking at what most were arrested for it just petty stuff. https://westorlandonews.com/detectives-charge-central-florida-registered-sexual-offenders-and-predators/
Although “petty”.. theses arrests were mostly for vehicle or liscense violations.. could have been prevented…… been on registry since 1998.. refuse to allow myself to give the state that opportunity to arrest me..
I am so glad I do not live in one of the Florida counties whose Sheriff is Hell bent on looking for issues that do not exist just to re-arrest someone on the registry. That is why I moved over 20 years ago from the county I lived in. I was getting 3 to 4 visits a day from city police, Sheriff’s office, even once from the FDLE agents.
Meanwhile, people are getting robbed, car jacked, kidnapped and old people having their home deeds stolen and their houses taken by crooks, yet law enforcement does nothing but go after the easy pickings and low hanging fruit.
You know we all talk about these sex sting operations, the probation, incarceration and other ordeals that many go thru but is it the way that seems right. I mean to trap, force, pressure, entice, or persuade another into coming down to meet this person that basically turns out, ( in truth) to be a police officer. That’s not really justice or fair play of any type. Its more of a choke hold of bondage.
Where is the Christian morality in this? Sure using the sword in vain the right way to protect and serve is good. So were does reasoning come into play in all this or not the God Given Commandants not at play today. Well believe it or not they are at play yet we are all carnal and true justice is like a plea deal of passing the buck. Are we all upset…. I would say all of us are.
I’ve always believed that the lifetime sex offender registry (especially Florida’s) was a implementation for encampments in a futuristic endeavor/agenda of our world.this may be the next step. Whether one calls it the New World Order or something else, they have slowly planned/tested how to control/monitor individuals in mass. So sad that the so- called justice (claimed to protect) had come as an angel of light because many who see with spiritual eyes know that the enemy typical disguises as such light.
Whenever the government has to give money as an incentive to implement laws, one should always question why would they have to if a good idea or take away rights of counties within a state to reinforcing it. Pray that people awaken to the truth of what they aren’t able to see but to what is happening right before their America’s eyes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-signs-bill-banning-homeless-people-from-sleeping-in-parks-public-spaces/ar-BB1keLga
https://www.clickorlando.com/getting-results/2023/11/01/career-criminal-unit-makes-sure-volusia-sex-predators-offenders-follow-the-rules/
This article buttons down the vast requirements of control. If the media repeatedly televises a specific matter, one can bet it’s agenda driven.
Thanks, ‘just sayin’’’, for the article.
Loss in Illinois https://ilcourtsaudio.blob.core.windows.net/antilles-resources/resources/862957b0-57a5-4485-9ac3-be91f70be527/Kopf%20v.%20Kelly,%202024%20IL%20127464.pdf
Has FAC looked into contacting a tax law attorney. DeSantis signed the homeless bill in Miami and he championed its way of doing business. The city is contracted by the https://www.homelesstrust.org/homeless-trust/about-us/home.page. The homeless trust gets its funding from a 1 percent sales tax on sales in the Miami area. Registrants are barred from the homeless trust resources. There has got to be some statute that the government cannot use its own citizens funds against that citizen. If I’m being taxed, I should be allowed to use the tax item that I’m being taxed on right. How can a registrant in Miami not have standing to sue when they are barred from using a service that the government taxes them on. Then we have it straight from the source https://www.axios.com/local/miami/2024/03/20/florida-law-desantis-homeless-camps-public-sleeping Ron Book doesn’t plan on any camps being built in the Miami Beach area. How is that not strategic banishment?
With the local communities being on the hook for these homeless camps maybe a Tax lawyer might be a way to attack it. So a local sales tax props up the homeless camps, but registrants cannot use a services of the camps, and that model may spread to other cities but registrants are barred from the model that they use in Miami so maybe we can jump ahead of the curve since more than likely counties will use a local sales tax to fund the camps however, registrants may be barred from using the services of the camps. Is there anything illegal about using And denying a local tax source funds from a citizen them bar them from that service in Florida? Federal? It would be pretty funny to see Ron Book and his organization hand FAC a check for the denying services to taxpaying citizens.
Does Miami Homeless Trust bar registrants from accessing its resources? Or is that more a function of Miami-Dade’s SORR ordinance?
I assumed Miami Homeless Trust was the only homeless service with a dedicated sales tax as its funding source. Are we saying there are other such homeless trusts here in FL? Would we discourage them from being funded by tax revenue?
Does the new law signed by DeSantis require municipalities to provide any services to homeless persons? Or does it mostly just lay out what they can not do?
Are we really willing to accept 1% off of our sales taxes, in exchange for continued denial of services to homeless registrants? Because that seems to me to be the final outcome of a successful challenge as Eugene describes it. Better, I think, to fight for more equitable homeless resource access regardless of who is paying the tax.
And that’s even if we have a case. Many people pay taxes for services they can’t access. FL does not, for example, exempt elderly homeowners from the school tax. Do we know of any successful challenges to the contrary?
Tax laws, hard to look up I spent a better part of yesterday, trying to find anything to use as an anchoring of a court case to see if we even had a basis to maybe sue under discrimination of a state sanction tax excluding us from being provided by goods and services. But it’s hard to find any court cases where people are facing the kind of discrimination we are in this.
I think the school tax is different because you could have a kid at one time so that service you could need you could have had a fire. Therefore, you should have a tax with the money goes to the fire department however, we could become homeless, but we cannot access the services that are available for the homeless I think they’re in lies the difference between the school tax being applied to older people who at one time chose to have children or not, and the school was there to provide services for them versus our situation. Also, the school continues to provide a service that the community uses that doesn’t exclude anybody for who the service is provided for.
Tennessee needs to get rid of community supervision for life as well. It’s also unconstitutional and it violated the ex post facto clause as well. Meaning double jeopardy. We all made mistakes in the past so why should we be punished further for a conviction that we all served our full sentence out? We were never given parole nor probation, so why are we being supervised by TDOC officials. This is a form of slavery and hate which is against the United States Constitution. It is a secondary prison sentence. Why do we need to be placed on ankle monitors told to go to a treatment program and then take polygraphs which are not accurate in the first place that’s why the United States supreme Court stated they are admissable because they are deceptive 50/50 on them. But all this additional stuff that tdoc forces on us is illegal and unconstitutional it is slavery. It’s a form of NAZISM. Tennessee might as well just give anyone with a sex offender the death penalty, because that’s what this CSL is .
So I came across this court case https://law.justia.com/cases/florida/third-district-court-of-appeal/2023/3d22-1416.html the state uses this line to say the registry is not punishment but simply a status of one’s crime. And if you go to sites like these https://www.flcourts.gov/Resources-Services/Office-of-Family-Courts/Family-Court-in-Florida/Delinquency/Resources/Common-Acronyms-Terms you will constantly see that offense crime only apply to juveniles.
So you see the definition of a status crime “Status Offenses: Things a youth may do that are not illegal for an adult, such as truancy, running away, or underage drinking.”
And looking at the history of the status offense legislation intent https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/juvenile-law-status-offenses-32227.html#:~:text=For%20the%20most%20part%2C%20state,committing%20crimes%20in%20the%20future. For the most part, state goals in dealing with status offenses became threefold:
* to preserve families
* to ensure public safety, and
* to prevent young people from becoming delinquent or committing crimes in the future.
So, if Florida State legislator is going to use the line, registration is simply the status of your crime, and they’re going to categorize it as a status crime and status crimes originated from juvenile issues that wouldn’t be a crime committed by an adult and the structure had three purposes.
How can it be not be viewed as punishment when the registry breaks up families
How can it insure public safety when the registry shows most were 1st time offenders
The legislative shows the intent is to ratchet up the restrictions year after year.
Applied to juveniles a status crime is viewed as trying to preserve those 3 things
Applied to registrants a status crime inflict punishment openly on these 3 measures yet it’s legal.
If the goal with a status offense is those 3 measures how can it be a status offense if those 3 measures are not the intent when applied to us.
Ron Book again lobbing to expand a sales tax to fund his organization https://www.local10.com/video/this-week-in-south-florida/2024/03/24/this-week-in-south-florida-ron-book/
How can registered citizens be bar from a public good service.
When the man in charge of the public good is Ron Book.
Congratulations to Val and her hard work on the Harper v. Glass case in the federal northern district of Florida. Today’s order strikes down as unconstitutional the in-state, in-person reporting requirements and the duplicative requirement to report to DMV when traveling in-state for more than 3 days. The FDLE Commissioner is now required to offer on-line reporting to registrants who are traveling in-state for more than 3 days. He has 60 days to do so according to the order. Again, thank you Val for all your hard work!!
I’d there any opionon or final version of this decision anywhere? I can’t seem to find it??
Does anyone with a pacer account know what we asked in our status report
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/25861536/Does,_15_v_Swearingen
Southern Court, can’t really rule until the northern court rules.
I looked it up (very new to using Pacer) and it appears we just updated that case with the ruling from Harper v. Glass, per Judge Williams’ order in November.
Thanks
The Southern District of Florida Court in the Doe case has stayed the proceedings at the request of both parties because there could be additional litigation in the Harper case such as post-judgment motions or an appeal. The parties have an additional 60 days to update the Court on the Harper case before proceeding any further in the Doe case.
For all Harper v. Glass questions, please refer to Val Jonas’ post:
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/statement-from-attorney-val-jonas-on-impact-of-judge-hinkles-order/
More restrictions for Volusia https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2024/04/02/volusia-county-ok-longer-distances-for-sex-predators-from-schools-playgrounds/
On March 29 someone using the handle “mac”. I have been using the handle Mac on FAC for a long time. I do not want to be associated with the postings of this person “mac”.
I contacted FAC about this but so far I have not received a reply.
Short summary of all the new laws https://flvoicenews.com/desantis-signs-new-laws-aiming-to-protect-children-from-sexual-predators/
03/10/2024. DeSantis just signed bill hb1235. – What are the changes we should be concerned with here ?
I would be very concerned with this one https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/1131
The online stings bill. Who is to say they don’t use the money to target registrants in the areas. They have to spend the money otherwise they won’t receive a grant, the grant is given yearly so more people on the so division payroll. With more people on the so division more time they have to devoting to one of 100s of small nuances to check up on we have to make sure we’re legit on otherwise they got another one. Then it will be “Let’s expand the budget even more.”
Also each failure to register is now a separate charge.
Folks, the online sting grant program is not targeted to registrants, though it likely will create new ones.
An online sting program targeted to registrants would be unlikely to work, because it’s usually not registrants who are doing the offending.
HB 1235 establishes stricter guidelines for sexual offender registration. This bill:
Prevents sex offenders from using a temporary residence to avoid registration;
Requires sex offenders to register vehicles and vessels used as living quarters with the state;
Requires international travel to be reported ahead of time;
Makes it more difficult to qualify for registration removal.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/04/10/live-gov-desantis-head-of-florida-dmv-hold-news-conference-in-st-petersburg/
I saw that on the news the other day but couldn’t find anything online to post on here. I read your link and does not sound good. Two points, more harsher registration requirements and harder to get off the registry.
Guess the governor doesn’t like the ruling from the supreme court. Also seems these are all retro-active. The more they make, eventually some judge has got to make this stop as it, in my opinion, has well passed punishment.
On a side note, our friend on here who died on the registry last year is still on there. 🙁
Ohio seems to be seeing the light about housing for ALL Felons INCLUDING those with sexual offenses, H.B. 50 has recently been amended and only 3 steps away from becoming law that will allow ALL Misdemeanors and Felons coming out of jail or prison the opportunity to find housing. People going on the registry will still have to comply with all registration requirements and any geographical restrictions, but are given equal chance at finding residence and I think employment as well.
This is another step in the right direction. The tenor of the Bill is to help cut down recidivism of all felons by giving them the opportunity to reintegrate back into society through hosing and employment. To deny people with sexual offenses of the same opportunity would be in essence saying ‘We want them to fail and only them and go back to prison’ which vicariously would make them guilty of supporting recidivism, so this Bill looks like a step in the right direction.