Member Submission: My First Experience Traveling as a Sex Offender
Part 1 Volusia County Florida
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This is a recollection of my first travel outside of my state (Florida) to Chicago suburbs for a family event.
I went to the VCSO in Volusia county and asked them what I needed to do to travel to another state. The Response from the woman behind the glass said. Come in at least 48 hours in advance, tell us where you are going and when you will return. [FAC NOTE: THE LAW SAYS ‘WITHIN 48 HOURS’ NOT ‘AT LEAST 48 HOURS’ THERE’S A DIFFERENCE]
I made all my reservations and went back in before my travel.This time they wanted way more information than they had specified in my first visit.
In addition to where and when I was traveling and when I would return they wanted exact address of where I would be staying, mode of travel (plane), flight numbers and flight times. Luckily I had a ll the paperwork with me. The required a complete Iteniary of my travel.
Flights, airline, depart and return dates and times
Hotel address
The only thing that was never asked for was info about the rental car. [FAC NOTE: THE LAW SAYS ‘“Vehicles owned” means any motor vehicle as defined in s. 320.01, which is registered, coregistered, leased, titled, or rented by a sexual predator or sexual offender; a rented vehicle that a sexual predator or sexual offender is authorized to drive; or a vehicle for which a sexual predator or sexual offender is insured as a driver. The term also includes any motor vehicle as defined in s. 320.01, which is registered, coregistered, leased, titled, or rented by a person or persons residing at a sexual predator’s or sexual offender’s permanent residence for 5 or more consecutive days.”]
I gave the the name of the county in Illinois that I would be staying in and the name of the town as well, Dupage County, Village of Itasca. They said when I get there I should register with the local Sheriff.
I asked the Woman behind the glass what I needed to do when I returned to Florida. I asked “do I need to check in to the VCSO office when I Return”, she said no, and subsequently gave me a business card with and 386-248-1788 number and stated, just call this number and let us know.
When I Returned to Florida, I did call that number, got a voice message and left my name and stated that I had returned from travel. That was on Friday after 5pm. I never did receive any kind of verification that they had receivd the info that I had returned. That issue kind of dwelled on me during the next week, so I decided to go into the VCSO office to make sure it was recorded that I had returned. The Woman behind the glass stated that there was no mention in my record that I had returned. She then summoned an officer “Lee” and asked him about it. I could not see him but he said “sometimes when the voice messages are cleared they are just deleted”. I asked him what I should do in the future, he stated that “I was doing exactly the right thing”. But noted that he is retiring in a few months.
He gave me the names of two officers who would be handling this activity in the future.
Part 2 Itasca Village in DuPage County Illinois.
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I arrived at the Chicago airport on Friday and checked into my hotel. It was snowing, it was 4 degrees outside and traffic had slowed to less than 10 mph, and the temps were in the single digits. I decided to travel to the DuPage SO early the next morning (Saturday). I was not sure that they would be open but went there, about 25 miles from where I was staying in Itasca. When I got there, there was a red phone in the main office and I stated that I wanted to register. The Woman behind the glass slid a form to me and stated that they wee closed on Saturday and that I wold have to come back on Monday. I went back on Monday and the officer I spoke with barraged me with questions like “who told you to come here”, and who were you in touch with and the big reveal, he stated since I am staying in Itasca, I should register there with the Itasca Police Department.
I then went to the Itasca Police station on Monday evening and told them I was a traveling registered offender an I was there to register. The officer didn’t really know what to do and took me to an area to be fingerprinted and found a form to be filled out. The form said nothing about travelers and it seemed to be just a regular registration form, nothing about traveling from another state, so he checked “initial Registration”. In the stuff I had previously found online it said that traveling to Illinois for more than 5 days I would need to register. By this time I had 4 days left to be there. I filled out the form and I did get a copy. I returned to my Hotel and withing 60 minutes the same officer knocked on my door and when I opened the door, he stated that he was checking to see if I was at the address given on the form. That was my last contact with the County of DuPage or the Village of Itasca.
Summary
My Travel dates were Jan 17 2010 to Jan 24 2020.
Why is it that I feel that the Sheriffs office and the Police department as well only give you enough information to say that they answered my question. The documentation that they, VCSO, had attached to the form regarding regarding the regular check in visits is tremendously confusing, perhaps that is on purpose. This was my first experience traveling out of state in the 5 years that I was eligible to travel. Not only from the local office but in the web information of what is required at the traveling “TO” location.
I also asked about what about if I do a road trip in a car or on motorcycle, she stated that I would have to list each stopping place before I leave.
I would love to travel more, I am retired. It is untrue if anyone states that the registration is NOT punishment.
Many mistakes by VCSO here. Among them, requiring registration of information not covered in the law.
But VCSO’s worst mistake here probably is their attempt to enforce another state’s registration laws. That is in no way subject to their jurisdiction, nor can it be. They should have clarified that they were just speculating and you must consult with the receiving state. Their job wrt this trip is simply to have you register the address of any temporary or permanent residence that you may establish. Nothing else.
I wouldn’t call it mistakes. I would call it intentionally and idiotically operating outside of the law. Most law enforcement agencies are not capable of operating within the law and they don’t really care. They’ll try what they think they can get away with.
Lee is the officer who stated to the front that i need to return to florida for my second check in if im gone from june to september and my Mid year month is july. Wouldn’t even think id still be considered a resident that long away.
You will be considered a resident of Florida until you actually change your residency “officially” with the VCSO. If you do not change your permanent residence with them, you will still be required to do either your Quarterly or Semi Annual registration. Failure to do so will land you behind bars with another third degree Felony on your record. Do not chance it. Just some friendly advise.
So i literally need to fly back just for the semi annual? Just doent make sense as i would have the temp address updated on the travel papers
Jm, please don’t expect anything in Florida to make sense. That way you won’t be disappointed.
Florida is a Spanish word that translates loosely as = FUBAR
Fudged Up Beyond Any Recognition
Who pays for my return? This is almost a probation thing: i have no obligations other than the twice a year. Now i need to travel back just for this? How is that even right???
Jm, I was unaware that if a person is on the Florida registry and lives out of state, he/she had to return twice a year to re-register. That even makes less sense than having to initially register just for visiting. I wonder if Florida exhumes those who are dead and on the registry, twice a year so they can be re-registered?
That is completely incorrect. If someone lives in another state (but they are on the FL registry because of a past registration), they DO NOT need to return twice a year to re-register. That is totally untrue. JM and Capt Munsey – please note that if you no longer have a permanent, temporary or transient residence in Florida, you DO NOT need to return for re-registration.
FAC, he is a FL resident who is gone from June to Sept but told he has to return every July for re-registration.
Is the detective correct? If he maintains a FL residence, must he make a return trip during his re-registration month?
FAC, I think VCSO may have been correct wrt rental car.
If the law is to register any rental car within 48 hours, then, barring a fix by the legislature, how would one even begin to comply? It seems that, in the case of vehicles rented, driven, and returned out of state (a typical travel situation), Florida statute cannot possibly be complied with, correct?
Jacob
registering a rental car with LE can be very dangerous to the public! ,think about this a RP gives LE the plate number and the car description now the car is returned what about the next person whom rents that car you get some Vindictive LE could be a serious and dangerous situation for the unsuspecting lessee of that vehicle just sayin lot of issues could arise out of it or we think now a RP loans his/her vehicle to a friend to move furniture and a corrupt LE decided yes lets fuk this guy up and ask questions later all this is asking for troubles
The situation indicated here is the result of statutes passed by clueless politicians. Ramifications mean nothing to them.
Throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks. It is OUR faulty if we cannot understand the Chinese characters they use to spell out the 100000 pages of offender rules that carry a life sentence, which is longer than almost any crime.
They will do anything, including take bribes, to stop us from winning any relief, and when we do, it is almost never enforced, proved by so many recent rulings which were ignored in defiance of the judge.
If a defense attorney did that, they would lose their license to practice and be thrown in jail and be humiliated. But when the state does, they get a prize of more time, again and again and again.
This is such a valuable submission. I thank this member for retaining this impt level of detail.
Generally, the cops simply don’t know the registration laws. I expect that most states are surprised and annoyed by Florida extending its long arm of the law into their territories and causing them grief. I’ll be damned if I’m going to become registered in another state just because I’m visiting for a few days. After all, I’d have to de-register there upon leaving too, right? If I am going to travel out of state, I will make sure that I don’t reside at any specific out of state location for more than 2 days (to satisfy FL law). So, I’ll change hotels, if needed. I will also make sure that the state where I’m going does not require me to register based on the total amount of time I expect to be there.
When I go on a road trip I have no idea as to where I will be staying as I do not decide until I get tired of driving and decide to stop for the night. All I reported to the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office was the day I was leaving and when I anticipated getting back. I was told to send an email to the SORT office each evening to let them know where I was spending the night. I did that and reported my return by phone message. Otherwise I had no problems. The annotations on my driver’s license seemed to have no impact on anyone. All they were interested in was my credit card. On a previous trip to Virginia I tried to check in at the police station and the officer behind the desk asked me what I wanted him to do. If you ask me, Florida is much more concerned with this travel “BS” than most other states. As long as you don’t break a law they couldn’t care less.
All of this is 100% unacceptable. “People” who support this harassment are not our fellow Americans and they are not people for whom we should have any concern. Not for them or their families. They must be attacked as the harassing terrorists that they are.
Message to Registry Supporters/Terrorists: Sic semper tyrannis. Here’s a famous quote for you – “You think you can be ruthless? Let’s see how you like it when the fighting is brought to you.”
Thank you, Will! — Well said!
I, too, have no patience for those who twist the constitution — OUR LAW — by using the absurd argument that this is not punishment and thus, that it is somehow permissible to violate Double Jeopardy and Ex-Post Facto.
Let’s be clear.
#1 reason I have stopped traveling. Even when I was on probation I traveled once a year internationally and all I had to do at the time was let my Probation officer know and then call her when I returned. She never had a problem with it other than asking if I was traveling with any minors which was always no.
I was never questioned leaving the country but returning, even back then was a living nightmare. The TSA had just been form and the 9/11 attacks were still fresh in their minds and they were not playing around.
I had to go into a room and get naked and have body cavity search, all my luggage was thrown against a wall or something as it was always damaged and always had a to make a claim and always got new luggage. I always missed my connecting flight so eventually I started getting connecting flights that were no less than 3 hours apart and sometimes that was not even enough. One time I had missed my flight but when I went to see what to do, the entire flight was delayed so I still made it.
Now with all these new confusing rules and stopping people at borders and turning you away, no way. Plus I have not worked since 2014 so I can barely afford to get to the Bureau of Registry compliance a few times a year, let alone travel anywhere.
I wonder how often the TSA/Customs is performing cavity searches nowadays. I’ve heard that they can hold you up long enough to miss connecting flights just because you end up at the end of a long line of suspects to interview. Did it happen to you every time? About how many times, if you don’t mind sharing?
At least 15 times. 14 of the times the TSA agents were total duche bags and treated me like a terrorist.
ONE of the 15 times, I had a very professional TSA fellow who treated me with respect, opened my luggage carefully, casually thumbed through it, gave everything back to me, handed me my I.D and said ” Don’t want you to miss your flight, have a safe trip sir”. I thought I was on candid camera.
We travel a lot. Speaking from my own experiences, I am required to register my trip with the VCSO and give them all pertinent info as to the Dates, address(s) where I will be staying and what dates at each, if there are multiple locations. I have never been asked for flights or flight times. Detective Lee is a very good source for information. I will be sorry to see him go. He is very fair.
I have never been instructed to contact any registration office anywhere else either. The safest bet for your destination, is to call the County Sheriffs office where you are going and get the information from them prior to your departure date. “ALWAYS” get a name of who you talked to. After you register anywhere, always get a copy of anything you signed while there.
Not exactly sure how you would report the rental car info, because you won’t know that until you arrive at your destination.
I hope this helps a little. There is no easy answer to the confused state of the registry. Good luck with your travels.
While we are on this subject, I’d like to ask a question.
The law in Florida says that you must register interstate travel only if you are planning to establish residence outside of the state. We all know that “residence” means 3 or more days cumulatively, at the same address.
So what if a registrant travels outside the state and stays at motel A for 2 days, then moves to motel B for 2 more days, etc?
Also, although I see that federal sorna says that you must register interstate travel, I can find no specific federal statute. I take it to mean that you must register interstate travel any time that your state (and the destination state) require it. I also understand that, as long as one doesn’t violate either state requirement, there is no federal violation.
So, take this scenario: A registrant in Florida drives to Georgia and stays at a hotel for 2 nights. Then the registrant returns home on the third day.
There was no transient, temporary or permanent residence established (because the registrant had never traveled to that address within that same year), so Florida did not need to be notified. And Georgia law was not violated because Georgia says one must be in the state 72 hours before one must register.
Am I correct?
Thank you
Can anyone answer my question?
Does federal law only kick in if you violate a state registration?
So, if I travel from state to state but do not violate any particular state’s registry law, then federal has no jurisdiction?
Am I correct? … … …. Anyone?
Incorrect. There are federal laws separate and aside from State laws.
Thank you. But which federal statutes specifically? Can you provide me with article and statute number so I can read them?
Thanks!
No registration is triggered by this scenario, to the best of my knowledge.
And in Georgia, it’s true that ppl have 72 hrs to register, IF they’re required to register— just being in the state 72 hours may not be sufficient to trigger that requirement.
You’re correct
JJJJ – I’m with you on this. These timelines are not specific and IMHO the way I interpret them is anytime you leave the state for any reason the clock resets.
I’m in a weird scenario where I am a pilot and own my own airplane. I could fly to the Keys, stay for two days, fly to GA have lunch, buy some gas for the plane, take a few pictures to prove I was there and fly back. The way I am reading the laws I’ve reset the clock on my time and can spend the next two days in the keys again.
Plus, some of these laws are based on a calendar year. So, what’s to stop me from flying to Hawaii (where it’s 10 days before I have to register) on the 21st of December and staying until the 10th of January. “Technically” I haven’t broken the law because I’ve only spent ten days per calendar year in the state – it’s just that it happened to be on this magical timeline we setup that I was able to stay there 20 days in a row.
Because – you know, I’m going to wait until the TWENTY FIRST day to do “reoffend”.
I’m just at a loss for the idiocy of these laws. They prevent nothing….
But Brian, what Florida statute says is that if you stay at any address for 3 or more days, cumulatively, during the course of one year, then you have established temporary, transient or permanent residence at that address. The statute says that any sex offender or predator who intends to establish one of these residences, must report within 48 hours of travel.
775.21
A sexual predator who intends to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state or jurisdiction other than the State of Florida shall report in person, to the sheriff of the county of current residence within 48 hours before the date he or she intends to leave this state to establish residence in another state or jurisdiction or at least 21 days before the date he or she intends to travel if the intended residence of 5 days or more is outside of the United States. Any travel that is not known by the sexual predator 21 days before the departure date must be reported to the sheriff’s office as soon as possible before departure. The sexual predator shall provide to the sheriff the address, municipality, county, state, and country of intended residence. For international travel, the sexual predator shall also provide travel information, including, but not limited to, expected departure and return dates, flight number, airport of departure, cruise port of departure, or any other means of intended travel. The sheriff shall promptly provide to the department the information received from the sexual predator. The department shall notify the statewide law enforcement agency, or a comparable agency, in the intended state, jurisdiction, or country of residence of the sexual predator’s intended residence. The failure of a sexual predator to provide his or her intended place of residence is punishable as provided in subsection (10).
943.0435
(7) A sexual offender who intends to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state or jurisdiction other than the State of Florida shall report in person to the sheriff of the county of current residence within 48 hours before the date he or she intends to leave this state to establish residence in another state or jurisdiction or at least 21 days before the date he or she intends to travel if the intended residence of 5 days or more is outside of the United States. Any travel that is not known by the sexual offender 21 days before the departure date must be reported in person to the sheriff’s office as soon as possible before departure. The sexual offender shall provide to the sheriff the address, municipality, county, state, and country of intended residence. For international travel, the sexual offender shall also provide travel information, including, but not limited to, expected departure and return dates, flight number, airport of departure, cruise port of departure, or any other means of intended travel. The sheriff shall promptly provide to the department the information received from the sexual offender. The department shall notify the statewide law enforcement agency, or a comparable agency, in the intended state, jurisdiction, or country of residence of the sexual offender’s intended residence. The failure of a sexual offender to provide his or her intended place of residence is punishable as provided in subsection (9).
(8) A sexual offender who indicates his or her intent to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state, a jurisdiction other than the State of Florida, or another country and later decides to remain in this state shall, within 48 hours after the date upon which the sexual offender indicated he or she would leave this state, report in person to the sheriff to which the sexual offender reported the intended change of permanent, temporary, or transient residence, and report his or her intent to remain in this state. The sheriff shall promptly report this information to the department. A sexual offender who reports his or her intent to establish a permanent, temporary, or transient residence in another state, a jurisdiction other than the State of Florida, or another country but who remains in this state without reporting to the sheriff in the manner required by this subsection commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
But what is/are the federal statute(s)? Where can I read these myself?
I understood that federal law was only violated IF when a state charged failure to register.
Thanks
Let me see if I got this straight. If I travel to Virginia Beach to visit a friend for a day or two and to put flowers on my wife’s grave, I do not have to check out with the sheriff’s SORT team…I would be returning to my home in Florida and I am not on probation.
Capt Munsey, my understanding is that one must only register travel with the state of Florida if one is traveling with the intention of establishing a transient, temporary, or permanent residence in another place other than where they live presently. This would include intrastate and Interstate. the rules for international travel are different. All international travel must be reported.
from what I can gather, federal law says that if you violate by failing to register with one or more States when you have the duty to register, you have now violated federal law as well as the state’s law.
So, as I understand it, here in Florida, one may leave the state and not have to report the travel as long as one does not stay for more than 3 days cumulatively in anyone address during the course of a year. Also, you must respect the laws of the state to which you’re going. If that’s state says that within 24 hours you must register, then you must register in that state if you were going to stay longer than 48 hours. as far as I can see from my research, federal law is only violated if you violate a States registry laws.
I may be wrong about this. I may be misunderstanding the federal statute and the state statutes. I would welcome anyone who can post statute numbers to tell me that I am wrong. I am after the truth, after all. I don’t want to get into trouble.
thank you in advance to anyone who can clarify this matter.
You know what, after reading all these ideas and opinions I have come to two conclusions.
#1 No one even the lawyers, law enforcement or the judges really understand all these confusing laws and sub-sections of statues.
#2 Maybe this was done on purpose which leads to so many of us being arrested for petty bull crap that a non Registered person would never be subject to. In addition us then ever being able to appeal to get off registry.
Law enforcement is under the department of justice but when you LIE to keep people from becoming a productive citizen, you are worse than the people you put away.
I saw so much corruption when I worked in law enforcement I use to go home with a headache and a stomach ache. A job I was suppose to love, to serve and protect turned into a nightmare of secrets and cover ups that I could write a book about if I didn’t think I would end up under a bed of concrete for writing.
Write it under an alias.
Yeah. Maybe once I am off the registry. I published something while locked up and it got made into a movie but I never got an credit, money or anything.
I tried to hire a lawyer but she basically told me the actor who made the movie would run you out of money in court before you even left your house.
She wanted $50,000.00 just to take my case and to prove she was honest, she said, I think you are better off going to the press and fighting it in the news for free.
That would be a novel idea if I wasn’t on the registry. It is a catch 22. I do not want to bring more exposure to my family. I have caused them enough pain as it is. When I got arrested, my Mother had a nervous breakdown. When I got sentenced she died “Inside”. She is ok now but know she still has a piece of her missing because of what I put her through some 30 years ago.
Of course that was so many decades ago, even if I got off the registry it would probably be too late to pursue it. That sort of took the air out of my writing. Kick me while I am down then spit on me and throw dog poop on me for good measure.
I will move on and forward. Most of the people including myself on the registry actually did do something. I was given a close to illegal sentence, way out of the guidelines and so many add on extra false charges were added so if I went to trial they would have barging chips.
Since I did not go to trial, the judge sentenced me to the max on all charges. I tried to withdraw my plea but the judge denied all my requests and when I went for a reconsideration she berated my attorney so harshly for “Even daring to come back into her courtroom” that he left in tears.
It would take a new judge and some 9 years later “With the same lawyer and $1000.00” to get the remainder of my sentence thrown out. I missed not having to register by 43 days. Accusations were from 1991.
I am on the registry for an offense in Virginia 20 years ago. I moved to Florida to help my parents…my father was in ill health. I am now on the Florida registry for life and am no longer on the Virginia registry. Virginia released me from probation 11 years early. The situation has been long ago resolved with the person involved, but in Florida nothing is ever resolved because keeping situations unresolved means $$$ and politicians are attracted to $$$. We used to say that once a politician gets his or her hand in your pocket the only way to get it out is amputation. Florida is a great state to live in. Too bad it has bureaucrat politicians.
The laws are so confused so that each of these little LE fiefdoms can make up there own rules and no one including their supervisors or lawyers can sort it out. We just have to take a stand and take our chances.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2018/775.21
(2) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section, the term:
(k) “Permanent residence” means a place where the person abides, lodges, or resides for 3 or more consecutive days.
(n) “Temporary residence” means a place where the person abides, lodges, or resides, including, but not limited to, vacation, business, or personal travel destinations in or out of this state, for a period of 3 or more days in the aggregate during any calendar year and which is not the person’s permanent address or, for a person whose permanent residence is not in this state, a place where the person is employed, practices a vocation, or is enrolled as a student for any period of time in this state.
(o) “Transient residence” means a county where a person lives, remains, or is located for a period of 3 or more days in the aggregate during a calendar year and which is not the person’s permanent or temporary address. The term includes, but is not limited to, a place where the person sleeps or seeks shelter and a location that has no specific street address.
The Gov’ment failed in its war on poverty, failed in its war on drugs, now let’s watch it fail on this act of stupidity. How is anyone on vacation, staying at a hotel/motel more than three days going to add or subtract from the security of anyone? When was the last time I moved my household goods to a motel for a three day stay? Residence…BS. This is another ‘see, I did something to show I care’ act by politicians desperate to try to justify their salary. They are just making fools of themselves. This is why elected politicians should have to pass a common sense test before being sworn in. Many would fail.
You are 100% Correct !!. Once I finally found this out, I travel all the time !. Never had/have an issues from other states !. And I Camp alot in Western States, Have frequent contact with Law Enforcement when they check us out when they find us camping in the Forests throughout the Country..
From my own experience, YOU ARE CORRECT!
I agree with Jacob. My question is, how do we handle this type of unauthorized/illegal behavior on the part of different sheriff’s offices?
How to handle it?
Read the laws, make sure you understand them. Do it for any jurisdiction that is going to affect your travel, and do it all before you even go into the sheriff’s office.
Just give them the info that the law requires. Don’t ask for clarification from them. 5 out of 10 times they will not know the answer off the top of their head and give you info that suits their own desires. Besides, you should have already researched the clarification for yourself prior to getting there.
Preemptively get the info for yourself, from the source.
I travel quite a bit and here is an anecdote to illustrate:
I went for a trip out of state to my sister’s house. FDLE had informed the sheriff at my destination that I would be traveling to their county. I already knew that I would not be staying long enough to have to register at my destination because I had checked all State, County and City ordinances before I left. A few days into my visit, a law enforcement officer came by to check up on me. He wanted to see if I was where he thought I’d be and advised me that I should go to the station to register there. I informed him that I would be happy to do so if it was required by law for me to do so, but since it was not, I would not be going to register. He bid me a good day and left me alone. No officer has harassed me on any subsequent visit to my sister.
Know the law. It only takes a little time to read up on the statutes, and will only keep you from watching about 1 Netflix movie. Sharknado 4 can wait.
I’m completely with you on this, Scott. I believe that the more confident I appear about my knowledge and my rights when dealing with cops, the less they’ll bother me, mostly because the cops are either without knowledge or trying to scare me with BS. It’s also possible that a good, smart cop, sensing that I’m unsure of all the rules, might exaggerate my responsibilities to help ensure that I have all of my bases covered. The bummer is, should a cop decide to arrest me, in ignorance of some specific law, it will be costly to me (bail, attorneys, etc.), and the arrest can affect my chances some day (just maybe) of being released from the registry. Regardless of the circumstances, the arrest record will reflect me as the bad guy troublemaker and the cop won’t suffer any penalties for his mistakes. Other folks, who aren’t national pariahs, can easier afford to challenge law enforcement when appropriate. Also, getting info ahead of time, “from the source”, can be a bit risky, since many of those sources are confused about or unaware of the facts.
Heyas, RayO. Yes, the ‘sources’ you are referring to can be confused about or be unaware of the facts.
When I said ‘source,’ I should have maybe been more explicit. I am referring to the statutes themselves, not to any person.
Read the statutes. Understand them.
Scott… Great Advice! Every state is different! When I took a flight back from Asia last February, I flew from Japan, where I grew up, and am still allowed to visit, even though I am an U.S. Citizen, and a RSO, to Hawaii. I went down to the State’s registration office, across from Iolani Palace, and told them that I would only be staying a week. The Agent in Charge came out and spoke to me, and extended his hand, and assured me, as we were shaking hands, that I did not have to come in, but to call him when I was leaving. I called him on that day asking if I could wait for the next Monday to leave, and he said yes, and that he personally would allow me the extra three days without the need to register! From there, I flew to Los Angeles, where, again, I was told that they would not require me to register due to my flight to Hong Kong on April 1st. All of my experience with California and Hawaii was refreshing, and unexpected!
You do realize Mr Yadayad that law enforcement can and will lie LEGALLY. Maybe your trip(s) were according to the laws IDK, but you, YOU, had better make 100%.
I verified through my attorney two months into my stay in Hong Kong!
I specifically requested to talk to the person in charge in both Hawai’i and Los Angeles!
Florida thinks that it is in charge of the world’s sex offender registry…just ask them.
Thanks for sharing this. I had to register recently in Orange County, Floriduh. They seem just as confused about the requirements here as the folks in Volusia County. Another guy next to me was trying to register because he was visiting from out of state. I wanted to tell him “dont do it be because you’ll be on Florida’s for life!” I didnt because I was afraid of being arrested on the spot for interfering. He did get registered even though there was a lot of confusion because he did not have to register any longer in his home state. Supervisors got involved, all scratched their heads and the result is that poor guy will be on Florida’s registry for life now. As for me, they just asked if there were any updates. I said no and the clerk had me file a digital signature. That was it.
He royally screwed himself. Especially if he’s not even on the registry in his home state anymore.
What a shame. Punishment. Period.
Maestro
I can bet when he was released from his home state some Vindictive SOB LE gave him some bullshit advice and now he will again have to register in his home state this is awful to hear about.. poor bastrd just ruined his life again FLORIDAH knew or suppose to know the laws you cant register a person if he is not on a registry in another state OR Is this a memo we missed
Stupidity, Period!
I really have to ask this question why In hell did this guy even bother to go to a sheriffs office to register, if he was already off the registry,,,I want to see legal documentation on this?
im not a member of the club last 15 yrs and i’m still worried about relocating to any state and as far as travel to Floridah fk that its purgatory your writing your own life sentence.
I here in the wind Missouri is pulling the same BS anyone have info on this
“I wanted to tell him “dont do it be because you’ll be on Florida’s for life!” I didnt because I was afraid of being arrested on the spot for interfering.”
Wow Bob, thanks for fighting for us.
“Supervisors got involved, all scratched their heads and the result is that poor guy will be on Florida’s registry for life now.”
And you know this how?
When I was on probation in CT and wanted to go to any events out of state (mostly NY and NJ) that lasted a 3 day weekend, all I had to do was get a travel permit from my PO. Never was I told that I had to register in the state I was going to and therefore I never did.
That is the same for New York. They only want to know if you will be aw as y from the state for more than 30 days. When I decided to leave the States for good, they would not allow you to make notification for the Feds until 2 days before your departure! I recorded it on my phone in case the Feds wanted to make a fuss about it! Since leaving, I have maxed out my 90 days tourist stays in Hong Kong twice, Europe once, and am now half way through my 90 days in Nepal!
I am in another county in Florida (not stating the name because I don’t want this coming back on them and then somehow they start asking for more info) and I travel out of state a lot. When I go in to register they see me coming and even joke that I must be going on a trip.
When I go out of town I go in there 48 hours before I leave and give them the mode of transportation (air/car/rental/etc) and the relevant info pertaining to that. They also want the first stop on my trip, the address, county, phone, etc. But if I am going to multiple places they don’t ask for the info on the other addresses. Then they tell me to check the requirements to check in at that state I am going to and tell me that being I gave them a fixed end date of my trip I don’t need to check back in.
I’m doing a Germany trip in a few months, wondering how that is going to go.
I will be back there in June, July, and August.
I traveled to Germany with family when I was still working and had no issue entering. However, that was in 2012, a lot has changed since then. Did not renew my passport due to lack of $$ and new regulations.
I use to travel once a year out of the country just so I could experience a week of freedom every year. Only time I had any issues even back then was on the return trip which was always a nightmare and missed all of my connecting flights at my own expense due to TSA jerks who have ZERO law enforcement powers and cannot arrest you but can detain you and make your life miserable. Glorified Government security guards who let their power go to their heads.
I drove from Georgia to Arizona last weekend, heading back tomorrow. I asked my PO if I had to report to the PO in Arizona when I arrived and was told no; just present my travel permit when I register. But I wasn’t required to register in Arizona. They only register visitors staying for more than 10 days. Not sure how that’ll play out when I get back.
This is the only federal statute I could find
18 U.S. Code § 2250.Failure to register
U.S. Code
(a)In General.—Whoever—
(1)is required to register under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act;
(2)
(A)is a sex offender as defined for the purposes of the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act by reason of a conviction under Federal law (including the Uniform Code of Military Justice), the law of the District of Columbia, Indian tribal law, or the law of any territory or possession of the United States; or
(B)travels in interstate or foreign commerce, or enters or leaves, or resides in, Indian country; and
(3)knowingly fails to register or update a registration as required by the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(b)International Travel Reporting Violations.—Whoever—
(1)is required to register under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (42 U.S.C. 16901 et seq.); [1]
(2)knowingly fails to provide information required by the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act relating to intended travel in foreign commerce; and
(3)engages or attempts to engage in the intended travel in foreign commerce;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
So I take this to mean that IF you fail to register (with a state or tribal govt) THEN you have violated federal law.
Am I missing something? Is so, where is the federal statute that I am missing?
Sorry to be so insistent, but I think we all need as much education (and clarity) as possible.
Thanks!
For those with multiple homes and multiple workplaces, there is freedom of just notifying your home state when you plan to go to your second home. The states in-between can be lodged at for 3 to 5 days at a time depending on the state since they only require notification if staying for 3 or 5 days depending on the state. Just notify your home state when you return. Life is simpler in the Midwest and East Coast!
Where is ROD STERLING creator of the TWILIGHT ZONE TV SHOW when I/we need him, for my traveling experience on the registry, he could do a TV show about it!
First you wont’ believe it, but I am well known in the REFORM MOVEMENT- if this was all BS they would all shoot me down!
If ROD STERLING were to do a twilight zone TV show about my experience on the registry here is how he would describe me
A bazaar story of a man with 2 lives-identity in the real world it is MR Jones,in cyber space MR Studebaker due to a law that said he had to give all his Online user-pass word to enforcement- so he became the car he drives name/identity online.
He is called a sex offender but he had no victim-touched know one- he is on the sex offender registry, but his picture is not on the Megan’s law public profile web site- he is on the sex offender registry but not on it, MR Jones has started up his old 1964 Studebaker- has driven it into :THE TWILIGHT ZONE:
My TWILIGHT ZONE EXPERIENCE TRAVELING AS A REGISTERED AMERICAN
On 9-5-07 I was convicted in California for indecent exposure in public while in a drunken stupor/Aka public urination//>>>> lewd act in public.-under CA law I was mandated to register on the S,O.R
Here is where the travel weirdness begins, I am a snow bird, I either go to Alaska or Michigan where family lives for spring summer-fall-head back to California for the winter-live on a 40 ft sail boat anchored in the bay.
On 4-1-2013 I went to the police department- said I was going to Michigan they instructed me when I got to Michigan to immediately register/NO PROB I SAID
When I went into the police station in Michigan- when they saw what I was on the registry for in CA. THEY STARTED LAUGHING MORE CALIFORNIA INSANITY handed me my S.O.F registrations papers back- told me my offense is not a felony- not a S.O.F registrarable offense in Michigan
I asked can you put this in writing-they did-handed me a copy of the law where the Michigan supreme court ruled public urination is
not a crime,WHY, SAVE THE CHILDREN PROSECUTORS-JUDGES were loading the Michigan S.O.R up with drug public pee pee” ers
Went to DMV GOT RID OF MY CA ID-got a MICHIGAN ID- did everything under the sun to be a MICHIGANDER/YES
90 days later the house is surrounded by US marshals they arrests me for not registering seems CALIFORNIA-.S.O.R.NA GOT SHIT face cuz I did not register in Michigan -sent the dogs out to find me?
The judge after reviewing every thing said, MR Jones your free to go, your a Michigan resident- under our laws you have not committed any crimes-your offense in CA is not a crime-or a registrantable offense in Michigan
what I found out was sex laws were like gun laws they are different in every state
VIVA WEIRD LAS VEGAS
Please be made aware that when ever you check into a hotel the police check your ID- I am in a hotel room in Vegas- the door gets kicked open freeze police put your hands up- I GET HAND CUFFED -taken to jail, my charge not registering as a S.O.F in VEGAS,
I hand the detective the business card of the US Marshal who arrested me in Mich- the paper from the Michigan State police stating I am not a sex offender in Michigan
I told the detective you need to speak with the US Marshal who arrested me for the same thing you are arresting me for-he will tell you what will happen if you try to try me for not registering, if it goes to court, no more Mr Nice guy I am going to sue the city for false arrest!
24 hours in jail later I am released- the detective says we are gonna list you under twilight zone-enjoy Vegas-please get that ball-chain cut you still have to you in CALIFORNIA CUT OFF
THE TWILIGHT ZONE CALIFORNIA WARRANT
Please be made aware the when you are driving on a public road, the police cars are utilizing a new high tech license plate scanners that can scan check out 8000 plates a day if you got a warrant no Insurance- suspended driver license stolen car?
If so the scanners flashes a red light on the dash- the cop does a bat turn- with red lights-sirens flashing pulls you over
Well California still had me listed as a S.O.F in CA,
THEY WERE STILL SHIT FACED -COULDN’T TAKE A JOKE I WAS LEGALLY OFF OF THEIR S.O,R- BY LEAVING THEIR GOLDEN STATE THEY COULD NOT MAKE MONEY ON ME.BOO HOO FOR THEM.
There were times I would get pulled over by cop if I was a few states away from CA/Oregon- Wash State-Nevada by cops with inquiring mind wanting to know what was going on, my license plate was Michigan- I was not on the registry but I was in CA- was I registered in their state, after a lot of explaining -showing papers-documents the cop would say your in a twinight zone. TELL ME ABOUT
RUN SILENT RUN DEEP
Not wanting to have police kick in my hotel door with guns drawn-tired of being pulled over by cops with inquiring minds, I bought a vehicle in CANADA with Canadian license plates-made it into a stealth camper- NO MORE PROBLEMS WITH POLICE /HAHAAHAHAHAH
Ya think I am making this up, well if your ever in Salem Oregon give a shout out to the early founder of the S.O.R Reform movement- the great one- my hero-mentor Tom Madison -ask him is Mr Jones driving a stealth camper with Canadian license plates?
THE BLUEST SKY’S YOU EVER SAW ARE NOT IN SEATTLE
I love Seattle -planed on staying a year there, when I moved there as a Michigan resident- non S.O.F I went to the ACLU WHICH IS STRONG AS DEATH you can actually walk in-request to see a legal advisor- if it has merit they will help you, I explained to them my situation- ask them would they accompany me to the police station so I could get clearance of not having to register as a S.O.F in Wash State?
LETS PARTY SEATTLE
Me- 2 others-[Tom-Ann]from the ACLU all go into the police station-I explain my situation-show my papers-documents- to the detective[Harry] he says I would still have to register-Ann says from what State/ Harry says CA- me I am a Michigander- not on Michigan S.O.R- no longer a CA resident, Harry says well your still on the registry
This went back -forth for about 30 minutes I stood up put my hands in front of Harry-said I am not going to register arrest me now- Tom-Ann put on the biggest grin I HAVE EVER SAW- WERE SMILING -SHAKING THERE HEADS TO EACH OTHER, Harry got spooked- said let me get back with you, Tom said NO you get back with me- never heard from Harry again?
READY TO FIGHT THE BIG BAD CALIFORNIA S.O.R WOLF
When Janice Bellucie mandated-commanded the CA.legislatures to end the life time registry for S.O.F- they be allowed to petition the courts to get off of it in CA,a few years back-not to mention her making new A holes for CA cities over their insane city ordinances against S.O.F ,for some reason, I could never figure out how CA. Gov Jerry Brown could sign this into law in 2018- it does not take affect till 1-12021?
My guess is the state makes big money off of those on the registry- wanted to keep this cash cow alive as long as they could, cuz a lot of people were going to be getting off of it INCLUDING ME!!
When the new law was signed in 2018- I came out of the twilight zone, went to Santa Barbara CA. Bought a 35 ft sail boat- then went to the sheriffs office to register, and said I am moving back to CA to get off of the CA. S.O.R when I explained every thing, he gave me a thumbs up, I have to register as a transient cuz my boat is anchored in the bay, I am classified as high class homeless/lol.
DUEL AT HIGH NOON
The sheriff said I will have to exchange my Michigan ID for a CA ID, I said hey I am just a silly Michigan tourist- living on boat in the bay does not qualify me as a resident, as long as I have my Michigan ID I can step out of CA- I am not on the S.O.R- if it gets to technical, I will just go back to Michigan long enough turn around and come back again as a silly Michigan tourist living on a boat- hey I have to be here 1-2021 to get off of the registry
Retrospect
I fought hard for reform- considered my self a battle hardened advocate for reform- change-getting rid of this evil registry, I think some of my advocacy may have back fired?
Before I did the Michigan magic trick of getting off the Registry, I was living in San Diego-moved to Tijuana Mexico- was registered as out of the country-crossed over ever day to work in San Diego, this caught on big time with S.O.F- who were doing this from CA. ARZ.-NM.-TEX.-now we have Megan’s International law
Then me- Tom Madison- Vicky Henry- Derek Logue and friends went down to Tallahassee FL- had big fun in front of the Capitol- all blew out before the 5 day registry requirements now it’s 3 days in most states-48 hours in Los Vegas Nevada
Can’t verify this, but when S.O.F started living on big boats- just sailing away- being registered as in terminal transit on the high seas-along the American coast this maybe why Interpol got involved tracking S.O.F
EVERY BODY KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT- SUPPORT GAIL WITH SOME CASH
side note feel free to correct any misspelled words
Dude, can I buy some of whatever you’re on?
The guy speaks the truth just with more flare and creativity than most people. Willy Wonka, The Wizard of Oz, Doctor Doolittle and many others were all geniuses but were accused of being crazy.
Although all made up characters, some writer created their persona for a reason. And no I am not dropping acid, I am just a fellow creative soul, who just shows it in other aspects of life and understand clearly what the above poster is trying to convey through his prose and a touch of pizzazz.
I grew up in a Navy family and spent 29 years in the Navy myself. Never did packing a suitcase and staying somewhere 3+ days constitute a change of address/residence. Such rules are ‘lame-brain’ requirements by politicians who want to feel like they are serving the public. Our founding politicians must be rolling over in their graves.
I am Permanent 100% Service Connected with PTSD.
This is exactly why I left the country and will, hopefully, never return, even for my Mom’s Funeral!
My only advice to everyone out there is to move to New York State! I was a level one, there, and will only return to formally remove my self from being a RSO in 10 Years, when my 20 years are up!
If you are looking to travel, Hong Kong, All of Schengen Europe and their far flung Member Territories, Nepal, Isra’EL, and Guatamala are WELCOMING with OPEN ARMS! IF you are a tad more adventurous, take a offshore sailing course and learn to sail. Then, no country can refuse you when you claim mandatory life threatening repairs – you probably won’t ever need to, though! Almost everyone will accept a donation for some cause or another! Just never think of it as a bribe! They are humans, and don’t earn much!
Isn’t the local agency supposed to remove you from the registry if you send notice that you’re living outside of the country?
If you come back to the USA in the future to another state, why would you have to register in that state if you aren’t registered in another state anymore?
Food for thought.
No. Florida keeps you on
You can’t even die to get off the Florida registry. That is why we must keep the pressure on until common sense penetrates the Florida political/legal system.
Actually you can . I am pretty sure a friend of my church died but no one will tell me. He is no longer on the registry and was in BAD BAD health.
NO Way he just got off the registry as he was a lifer with no chance to ever be removed and yet he is removed.
He is still showing is past history on FLDOC website but he has not been in prison in over 20 years.
I googled him thinking something would come up on another state’s registry even though he had no family to move to but nada. In fact when you google him, even his DOC record doesn’t come up, unless you go on their site.
99% sure he passed away. The person I know who was helping him said he just disappeared and his phone was out of service.
The rule in Florida is supposed to be that, after you die, you must remain on the registry for at least a year. After that year, a family member can request your removal – but I’ll bet that some never do.
That is almost laughable, like they are giving you a year to be resurrected by the Lord Himself. So they play it safe for a year in case you somehow do a Houdini and come back from the dead.
What purpose would it serve to keep a dead person on the registry longer than 30 to 45 days ( giving enough time to process paperwork etc. )
The state of Florida should legally change its name to the state of confusion. I will be the first to cast my vote for name change. OH wait, we can’t vote. Or go near a school, playground, church, park etc. without being arrested.
Proud to be an American as long as you do not have a criminal record.
The extra year gives Florida an extra years to collect registry maintenance fees from the Feds.
I call it “Trickle Down Persecution”.
You are correct. I was completely removed from New York State’s Registry, per my attorney’s inquiry after I left the U.S. from JFK, but the FEDS still have a tether on you until you satisfy an applicable state’s requirement to be fully removed from the FEDS!
For New York State, Level Ones are the only tier that can be removed from the FEDS’ Tether, and that is after 20 years after release from prison. The Feds will send you a letter within two weeks after receiving the notice from the State that let you go notifying you to apply for an unmarked Passport! Then you can travel to anywhere that does not blanket ban all felons!
Make damn sure that you don’t travel to any state that could force you to register with them for life, before or after being released from the FEDS! Some have been released, and then traveled to another state that had a lifetime registry requirement and they were zapped back to where they started! My advise to everyone I have talked to is ー LEAVE THE COUNTRY, NOW! Then go back for a month when you can be forever removed from your State’s Registry, and then leave the States permanently!
BUT MY POST WAS MEANT TO ENCOURAGE LIVING OUTSIDE THE BOX THE FEDS THREW US ALL INTO! DON’T WAIT ‘TIL YOU CAN BE REMOVED FROM YOUR STATE’S REGISTRY, IF YOU EVEN CAN! LEAVE NOW! ALL OF EUROPE AND THEIR FAR FLUNG TERRITORIES WILL ALLOW YOU TO APPLY TO LIVE AND WORK THERE IF YOU HAVE CLEARED 10 YEARS SINCE YOUR OFFENSE, NOT YOUR INCARCERATION! I WAS ARRESTED 6 MONTHS BEFORE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS RAN OUT ON MY OFFENSE!
Thanks for replying to my original comment. However, I hope you can clarify a few points:
You said the Feds put a tether on you even after you leave the US and ask state for removal from registry. What does this mean?
You mention that one must still wait 20 years in their state if they are a level 1 to be removed, but then you next mention not to travel to any state that forces people to register for life, after mentioning that the original state removes you when you are oversees.
I’m frankly confused by what you wrote as it’s jumping around a bit.
If you moved out of the USA as level 1, removed from registry, and then at some point in the future you come back to the states, then what happens next? That’s still not clear to me. Why would you have to register anywhere if you were removed from state registry? The laws are written about state registries not some higher federal registry.
If you’re a level 1 then why would you be on the Feds registry system? Even if you are, why would they need to remove you after your time expires if only the state has to do that? Why wouldn’t the Feds remove you as well (assuming they are supposed to at all) as well as the original stage has done if you live outside of the US and the state registry removed you already?
If the new state says you must register with their state if you’re registered in another state, but you’re not registered with any state, then why would you have to register in the new state you moved back into from being on overseas?
Hopefully this will clarify it for you! ^_^
New York State indeed removes ANYONE who either moves to another State, or who gives THEIR 2 to 4 day warning that they are leaving the country! New York State will not allow you to give notice until those last few days before you leave! I videoed everything on my phone when I gave notice in NYC’s SOMU! In New York, Superior Court Judges give you your level, and Level One’s are the only ones who will be removed from the State, and subsequently Federal, Registries after 20 years! Since I am not registered in any State, yet still fall under Federal Requirements, I have to return to New York State for one to three months to register, and then wait to be completely removed by the State, and then the Feds! It takes a week to receive the State’s letter of permanent removal, and about a month to receive the letter from the Feds! I still would have to register in another state if I established residency there, but I won’t ever let that happen! I did not grow up in the States, and have lived overseas for more than half of my life! Europe has a law that applies to all member countries that states that Registered Sex Offenders are to be released from all monitoring ten years from the offense date! That also applies for residency applicants from other countries! I will probably use that to establish residency in Sweden or the Netherlands at some point after I have gotten tired of Sailing around this Rock! That law also applies to ALL non-UK Schengen European Caribbean, Northern Atlantic, South Pacific, Oceanic, and South American Territories!
From the Ill-Noise SO registry FAQ page:
If an offender is visiting from another state, are they required to register?
A sex offender visiting the State of Illinois for more than 3 days in a calendar year will be required to register with the local law enforcement jurisdiction where the sex offender is staying. This means cumulative days; it does not necessarily have to be 3 consecutive days.
So if you visit ANYWHERE in ILL-noise any time in a 365 day period, being there more than 3 days trigger registration. So I won’t visit again until after July if anything comes up because I stayed 2 nights there.
I was right.
A registrant who resides in Florida does not have to report interstate (or intrastate) travel unless they plan on establishing residency.
Residency means 3 or more days (in the aggregate) during the course of one year.
(See this clarification letter from the FDLE):
https://floridaactioncommittee.org/fdle-responds-to-interstate-travel-inquiry/
Furthermore, I have nor been able to find any federal statute that bars interstate or intrastate travel. Federal law simply states (as far as I can glean) that if you fail to register, then it is also a federal crime. Please see https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-sex-offender-registration
If I am wrong about the federal statute, please let me know. But I am 100% confident in the state statute as I have explained above.
Thank You.
I thought scimilar things in Texas. I found out the hard way (1.2 years in solitary confinement surrounded by Mexican Mafia and murderers) that your wording is always wrong.
I even had the wording of Texas law on my side but the Federal “Defender” said that the Jury will be made up of nothing but law enforcment officers and border patrol so I will never win.
If it even SOUNDS like you need to do it, and even if you do it, it is impossible to not violate in some way.
HOW IN THE HELL is that an impartial jury? Did you even have a lawyer that went to school? Good Lord was there even a jury pick process?
That sounds like a black man being convicted by 12 KKK members. In what World is that allowed. Oh yeah in America’s Kangaroo courts.
Funny when we are a victim, law enforcement does nothing. We just had a major vandalism incident here and when the officer showed up, he told me to go online and do a report there and he wouldn’t even give me his card.
Move to New York. They tell you only toreport if you ste going to be gone for more than 30 days! Of course you need to research each local jurisdiction as to where you will be traveling, but even if you miss it by a few days, a call will suffice! NYS is not looking to railroad anyone, nor ruin anyone’s life! They also don’t allow you to report moving or traveling out of the country until 2 days before your flight. I tried to go in early and they refused me and told me to come back two days before my flight. I videoed my return just in case the Feds gave me problems! That was March 3rd of last year, and I have not been back to the States!
So even though im gone for three months i need to fly back to florida to register for my second registration? This caused a bit of a stir at the office But they were firm At the vcso That i need to come back to florida from neW england.
As im there more than 30 days id have to get the local driver license and register the car locally.
So i fly back to florida: get a new driver license again Go register: file my travel plans again come back to the travel state. This makes sense? The people at the desk were hesitant but they were firm that i need to fly back and have a florida driver license. I am in my state a week Per month at least but this is the first time it overlaps my bianual dates.
The second question they couldnt be clear on comes from traveling out of the travel state: they tell me I have to report to florida but cant call it in. E.g. i go to vermont for a few days while im up here And then drive to Massachusetts for a few more during my 3 months i need to tell them somehow but cant be on phone. Seems a brick wall. I have homes in both states the only reason i hang here more is that damn for life thing but they dropped the failure to register because of those circumstances. I have been in a purgatory limbo that cant get straight answers from the vcso
For a clearer answer contact the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, or better yet an attorney since the FDLE makes up rules as they go along.
I took FDLE to court ( With a lawyer ) and won to have some wrong info corrected )
However, when they corrected it they changed me from registry from 2 times a year to 4 which the lawyer also says is wrong but I do not have another $1000 to fight it and further piss off the FDLE. For a 1000 dollars I will give up two extra days of my life to go register again.
You can ask a lawyer, a judge, the sheriff’s office and the FDLE all the same registry question and you might just get 4 different answers. If you follow a wrong answer and end up in jail, you will be told by judge “It is YOUR responsibility to know the law”. Well EXCUSE me, write the damn laws, rules and ordinances in plain English spelled out in a simple way and maybe, just maybe we could obey them. They throw the Ignorance of the law is no excuse at us AS AN EXCUSE, to arrest us. Prison is a HUGE profit maker for states. Any win for us is a loss for them and they cannot stand that even if they have to LIE to keep you down.
Doesn’t matter if it makes sense, it’s a political bludgeoning tool, a way for them to gather up nearly 1 million Americans at any time on any technical violation they can dream up and no one will care. Maybe their immediate family and maybe some friends but they won’t do anything drastic to stop them.
They want as many people unarmed and able to be imprisoned without much of a stink as possible.
Divide and conquere it’s the Hitlarian way.
FAC, thank you for the confirmation. I could not believe that someone living in another state had to return to Florida twice a year to re-register just because they had visited Florida.
Let me get this straight, as a person required to register in Florida but living in another state, once I am off the other state’s registry (10 years total), I will still be a “sex offender” on the state of Florida’s registry.
So, does that force me to have to adhere to every single state’s law concerning “establishing temporary residences” when I travel because I am on the Florida’s forever registry? For example, traveling to a state (other than Florida) that requires registration after visiting for “x” amount of days.
Or as far as other states are concerned, I would “no longer be a person required to register” (as in an active registration with a home state). Is this correct?
This is a question that has been unclear from the beginning. Don’t even make me throw international travel in the mix!
Yes, you will still be on Florida’s registry.
Many states require registration if you are required to register in any jurisdiction.
And no he will no longer be required to register anything in Florida or otherwise be required to follow any registration laws, if he does not establish or maintain a residence here. Florida will simply list him.
So to be clear, when removed from the current residence state registry and still being on the Florida For-Life registry, I travel to TN to visit family and their law says:
2010 Tennessee Code 40-39-203. Offender registration Registration forms Contents:
(c) An offender from another state, jurisdiction or country who has established a primary or secondary residence within this state or has established a physical presence at a particular location shall, within forty-eight (48) hours of establishing residency or a physical presence, register or report in person with the designated law enforcement agency, completing and signing a TBI registration form, under penalty of perjury, pursuant to § 39-16-702(b)(3).
I STILL must register within 48 hours or be in violation of TN state law? This is new and disheartening information to me.
How is there any relief to anyone that is on the Florida For-Life registry? Funny, the how the registry isn’t punitive.
And to add, why we’re not funding the out of state registry challenge any quicker is beyond me…
Not sure if you are in to editing but here are a couple of typos.
“My Travel dates were Jan 17 2010 to Jan 24 2020.”
“I also asked about what about if I do a road trip”
As to the confusion. It’s intentional. They do it so they can pick you up and imprison you at any time for any technical violation. For example the phone message, they will say “its your responsability to prove you left the message” or “its your responsibility to register your rental”.
This is a total violation of “Innoccent until proven guilty” but lets face it. This is no longer Constitutional America. How about the right to Travel FREELY about the country?
They will usually arrest you on these technical violations when they have a political agenda maybe even a personal grudge. No one will defend you so they have the right to bully you. Even if they are caught, they will get a slap on the wrist and you will still be prosecuted to the fullest.
There are a few good judges out there that do look at the facts and not at the accused and what they were accused of.
I have seen a few post on here by F.A.C where someone around the country was arrested for a B.S registry violation and the judge agreed that the rules were so confusing and vague that the judge themselves could not even make heads or tails of them.
HOWEVER, you still lose because of the cost of the lawyer.
Good Day…..Travel Nightmare with the US Customs Border Patrol….
So, where I reside, I must go through Customs and Immigration, even though it is part of the US….
The other day, when being processed, was told by a CBP Official that there is a new screening process..’Please follow me’..so I went to an office and filled out a Custom’s Declaration Form, something that no other Traveler has to do….I filled it out and was summoned to a room wherein they did a complete search of my property..during the search a Male and Female Officer was present…the Female Officer harassed me, asked me questions that has nothing to do with my travel-she went out of her ROLE, she slandered me and created LIES in HER OWN MIND etc…she down right INVENTED her OWN DISBELIEFS..she tried to INVENT NEW RULES AND STIPULATIONS….I have contacted an attorney and will ask a Federal Magistrate to REMOVE HER QUALIFIED IMMUNITY so I CAN SUE HER IN CIVIL COURT….This SHIT MUST STOP….SHE HAS AND HAD NO RIGHT TO BE-LITTLE ME…also, Karma is a bitch as where I reside is a small space and, well, I know her kinfolk and will apply pressure on that end as well…
make it a great day in DA ‘HOOD!
I get that all the time just driving around town doing chores. Many police departments now have license plate readers. I get pulled over and given a BS story like I ran a stop sign about 100 miles back and they just caught up with me.
Real story is they just want to violate a registered person who is not on any probation. I always keep my cool and try and talk law enforcement language with them. As soon as they learn I know my stuff, they usually give me a warning and let me go.
MOSTLY happens when passing through very small towns with a small police department so I avoid those at all cost. The worst is Windermere which is home to numerous millionaires. I was going to the library there because they had a movie no one else had.
Upon talking to the librarian, she told me she is afraid to leave work each day as one of the officers pulls her over about twice a week and asks her out on a date. I told her to report it to the sheriff’s office ( Since the chief of police would cover it up ) but she is even afraid to do that so you can imagine how I was treated when I got pulled over. The literally have signs all over the city stating ” residential streets and parks are for RESIDENTS ONLY”.
I was born in Florida and my aging parents still live there. I have been out of state for my whole adult life and am now on my state’s registry. Still can’t travel for 1.5 more years due to supervision, but for years have been thinking about my inability to travel to Florida to visit parents. They are in upper 70s and may need help before long. I haven’t told them that I refuse to come back and be put on the Florida registry for life. I will be off my state’s registry in 10 or 15 years and refuse to be on any state registry for life. How do I communicate this to my parents. Sure, I can come to Florida for less than 48 hours, then quickly go to Georgia. I guess I can just not stay in the same county for more than 48 hours? Anyone have strategies that work? Thanks
One thing i forgot to mention was that the VCSO woman behind the glass said i had to change my PERMANENT address to the address of the hotel in Itasca, then change it back when i returned. This sent of many alarms cause, what if they to let re reregister to my home address when I return?
seems that there is no clear distinction between Permanent address and Temporary address. Why would I have to change my Drivers License id to an address in Illinois.
Totally looney policies driven by politicians who are out of touch with reality and don’t give a damn about the safety of anyone except themselves.