COME ON!!! Registrants shouldn’t be bouncers or go near conservation areas?
I’ll end this week by sharing a bit of ridiculousness that is being thrown around the water cooler.
I’ve said this before, but it seems like hysterical people and political opportunists are running out of ideas for “sex offender laws” and really grasping at straws sometimes. I can understand a person required to be registered as sex offender prevented from teaching preschool or running a day care – there’s at least some rationality to that ban, but we’ve also heard of registrants prevented from becoming a garbageman, and now people in the UK are suggesting registrants shouldn’t be allowed to be bouncers at clubs either! Yes, there’s a call to ban registrants from being bouncers at night clubs, calling it a “loophole” in the law. A loophole? Bouncers? Come on!
Another far flung idea that is actually a Bill making its way through the Missouri Legislature. They want to add “state conservation areas” to their exclusion zone. That’s as in, people on the registry can’t go within 500 feet of schools, parks, public swimming pools, children’s museums… and now state conservation areas. Conservation areas are essentially forests and wetlands. It might be where someone would go bird watching or to fish in a pond, but not where you’d find unaccompanied children to abduct. Would you believe the Missouri senate ok’ed the change 34-0 yesterday?
It just goes to show that if you attach the words “sex offender” to a piece of legislation, you’ll be able to get anything through. Should registrants be welders? Clearly that’s another “loophole” that needs to be closed or they may fashion a “childlike sex doll” out of metal scraps. Should registrants be allowed within 500 feet of trees? Lets add that to the list, just in case one decides to molest an oak or pee on it for some paraphilic reason.
Come on people… Let’s be real!
And the million dollar question(s)
#1 would this be applied retroactively ?
#2 Is this again not punishment? Taking away a right. Being banned from a place. Not being able to be present in a location where you are by law required to pay taxes to support?
PFRs should ensure that they cost big government and society as much as possible. Cost more than you provide. It’s the right thing to do.
I’ve expressed before that it’s coming down to an all out war against the States and our fellow citizens. It’s just a matter of time before we will have to march against them.
For me, the war started long ago. Because the Hit Lists exist, I’ve been hurting people for a long time. I see only escalation.
America has always been a nasty, hateful place full of selfish, self-righteous idiots. Our response to COVID is exactly what one would expect of such idiots. “American exceptionalism” is exceptional stupidity and immorality.
I would love to respond to this but my words would probably not be acceptable for FAC or the internet.
I know for certain that FAC will not allow me to say what I think should happen. I’ve tried plenty. I express my real opinions elsewhere.
I’ve been saying it for surely over a decade now. The Hit Lists are war. Actual war. It must be treated as such.
Now while I hear your cry for justice Mr. Allen, I feel that your methods to this madness is misplaced and/or misused. I agree that these lists are unbelievable in their potential for identity theft and the “hit list” that they can seem to create. But, as an S.O. for over twenty years, I have had many serious intereactions with the public and the so called “Assassins” and at the end of the day they are truly trying to accomplish one thing: Find those that are still trying to reoffend, find those that have not learned their lesson, find those that are truly going to harm children and wipe them off the face of the Earth. I can tell you from facing an AK-47 carrying “Assassin” in full camoflauge, that these people are determined and will complete their mission, but only if you are an active “child harmer”, I held up the Bible to him and then he backed off. I, immediately started reading the Bible to him and whoever was around. Now, I was homeless camping in the woods and it could have got bad real quick, but I put my faith and trust in God and He delivered me. He will deliver you as well. Please hear me when I say that people with more authority and control of our laws is also seeing this situation, and while it may seem that nothing good is happening it is. We just can’t see everything. Please hold strong and realize that you are a role model for someone else, who may be dealing with catastrophic life changing events in their life and we cannot just “arm ourselves against injustice” everytime we think we see it, because then you become part of the problem and not part of the long term solution. Please, Mr. Allen, sometimes you have to know when you are just a step for the next generation to become a better, more loving world. And, the hateful action you speak of will only set us back farther and delay our ultimate rise to normalcy. Change will happen. Just please make sure you are in a place mentally and physically to enjoy it.
You’re preaching to the wrong bunch. Email this entire opinion to the legislature in Missouri. And keep emailing it. Annoy the shit out of them and make them feel as stoooopit as they are.
Please share it.
And we have the data on the number of sex crimes perpetrated by registered sex offenders in state conservation areas. We know what the numbers are.
Jacob
There are signs at most conservation areas that Read “Don’t molest the animals”.
if we were allowed to post photos I would show you one here. It says ” do not feed or molest the alligators”
This bill was fashioned after ONE person contacted Ms. Riddle about a few citizens required to register being in attendance to watch games. ONE person! This is the second time this has happened in Missouri. The last time it was the Children’s Museum which we testified against and they buried in another bill toward the end of the session.
& there isn’t even an allegation that a crime occurred, only that someone was present.
Had any crime occurred, they’d be sure to make a big deal of the incident and name the legislation after the victim.
Time and time again they are wasting their efforts, time, finances etc. all to ban someone with a prior sex offense. Only to have someone who has never been arrested, much less commit a sex offense do s ok something in one of these exclusion zones. I find it very ironic and at time, in a dark and twisted sense of humor rather comical that they spend so much resources and brain power to be only thwarted by someone with no prior offenses. One day they will actually listen to and see the research and find a better way around to “protect the community”. Even with the exclusion zones it still will not stop any one who is dead set on committing any type of crime. It’s just something that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. While I hate the limitations these laws bring, sometimes I welcome it and say bring it on MFers. Let’s see those dollars spend to amount to nothing but a false sense of security. I’m not sure of the statistics but I’m almost certain that every time someone who has no criminal record commits a sex offense they tighten the noose. However it’s all in vain because most registered sex offenders have low recidivism. Do they make exclusion zones for someone convicted of armed robbery? Drug dealers? Even if they did, would it stop them from dealing drugs or robbing? Most of the time people with all this schooling and book smarts end up losing their common sense somewhere along the line. Js
Tim
Just look at the recent post on Miami? They keep moving those poor saps from location to location. Someone complains and they send them packing only to become “Someone elese’s problem”. If it was just one person, they would probably be in jail.
But, there are too many of them to arrest all of them, too many witnesses that will have the same story and probably not enough room for that many people to be locked up all at once. Plus, there would have to be some push back somewhere.
Instead of a long term solution, they shuffle them around like a deck of cards. Eventually they will bus them off to another city or county. Sad people become cattle and worthless just because they made a mistake in their past.
You can buy a house next door to a school spend the next 30 years remodeling it everyday just can’t sleep there at night when schools closed. I’d rather my kid be kidnapped by the guy living beside the school they walked home from not picked up by a man across town or a city over where they will never check. Wake it retards in office!
Missouri has already determined that the registry is punishment so they can’t enforce new restrictions retroactively. Just one more stupid rule that makes it more difficult for law enforcement to figure out who is on what restrictions which are all determined by when the law is passed and what laws apply to who. The lies about those that are put on this hit list are so deep , I don’t know if there is any hope to clear up injustice that is so thick everyone is scared to death to oppose or even question the reason for such ignorance.
Missouri has a lot of state parks with conservation areas on them this is a tremendous amount of area. Where a man can’t go to fish or hunt to feed his family. Why don’t they just pass a law making it illegal to go to grocery stores, after all there might be children there.
Please DavidM, don’t give them any ideas!
David
It is NOT just law enforcement. I myself am confused. I have been detained 3 times for being at a school (All 3 times picking up my grand daughter). Apparently some zealous cop ran my tag or had a tag reader.
All 3 occasions I was held for at minimum 45 minutes while they tried to find out if I could be arrested. They always tell me FDLE didn’t know and to let me go and tell me to not return. Really?
seriously, I have read the Florida registry dos and don’ts 10000 times and no one can tell me what I have to follow, what I was grandfathered in or out of. It is so confusing I just do what I need to do and worry about it later.
Wouldn’t it seem we are more relevant out of prison where we can spend money, pay taxes and support the economy and our families?
Cherokee, you are a bright fellow and you do your homework. Yet neither you nor FDLE can decipher the law. That smacks right up against the requirement that laws provide adequate notice as to what is required. It almost sounds like you have a built-in defense if, God forbid, some cop was having a slow day and decided he didn’t like you. I hope you will never have to test that legal theory.
Veritas.
Thanks Ed
Since I use to work in law enforcement, on the one hand I do not let them intimidate me. On the other hand, inside my gut I am pissing myself wondering if the jerks who do not know the law will take me in anyway, resulting in an arrest. Regardless if it stands, it counts as an arrest.
I am nearing the time I can go before a judge to have my requirements dismissed. It has been 30 years since the day I was accused. And 18 years since I got off probation.
This is why we have gun laws.
If we’re gonna take this attitude then we may as well shut this platform down now before someone gets the wrong idea.
Truth
Only weapon I own is a pocket knife and a louiseville slugger. Not sure where you live but in Florida, if you are an ex felon and are caught with firearms, you are well done like a Ribeye steak.
Stay safe. It is going to get worse before it gets better.
Can we not use FAC’s platform to advocate mass shootings thanks
Agreed, Jacob – post removed.
Jacob
I was surprised that comment made it through at all. I have had my comments not posted just because FAC didnt like what I said. Was shocked to see that allowed. Guess it depends on whom is vetting the comments.
I was going to say something but rather made a dig at them by reminding them felons cannot own guns. Also keep in mind you could be talking to ANYONE when you post on here, even an FBI agent. It is a public forum.
Heck I am sure sometimes the Books or someone like them come on here just to stir up the bees nest to get us to fight among ourselves.
Never type anything you do not want the wrong person to see as you just might be talking to your own probation officer, or a neighbor who does not like you and reports you. That is why I am shocked at some of the people on here who post their real names. Not wise in my brainless opinion.
Now THAT’S low recidivism!
More delusional paranoia. And that’s exactly what this is delusional paranoia. Attached sex to anything and it’s now an issue. I got outed in my neighborhood because of Megan’s last and now I live in fear and now others live in fear because I am absolutely no threat to anyone. Craziness indeed. But hey we’ve been doing it to other humans for centuries. Nothing new Under the Sun. And we’re clearly not moving forward as humankind.
As a contrarian, after reading HB 1090, it sounds like it bans you from knowingly being within 500 feet of a Missouri Dept of Conservation education center. It does not ban you from the state park entirely, just the vistor’s center.
Registrants should be bounced. Sure anyone should be bounced. Even myself or could we go to Presley or his black/white soul music back in the day. I re-frame from Prisclla comments or does one show ID on entering a bar, a competency hearing, or who gets uptight in government land or who’s land is it actually. Does one put up a “sign” beware of dogs or no tres-passing even when the postman rings twice.
I use to work in national parks even had an opportunity to work at the everglades’ in florica for a summer job in my earlier day but I’m sure the mosquito’s wouldn’t agree with me.
Are we not all at many times bounced by this registry and have to juggle it carefully. At times one even has to juggle his or her typing but being bounced by wind and doctrine is a bit much for many on the registry. Either one can tell it like it is or stand their ground. I don’t like to cover up anything and if I am wrong I will admit it.
One wonders were adam and eve really bounced in the Garden.
Even one wonders does one bounce from girl friend to girlfriend. Sure those under the registry are bounced if you would like to call that with a don’t go to church without a chaperone. Yikes I didn’t know you had to have a chaperone. Going to parks who is getting bounced around a bit when I pass over the blue ridge mountians daily and the parkway entrance is right their.
So is government bouncing men today with this sex registry. I hope my typing is improving but I still need some work on my spell checker. So who likes to be bounced in a free society. And if one dots all their T’s and I’s than thats America and government in action/reaction or who’s the sex registry or who is the bouncer today.
This is why we have a sex offender registry. To protect these harmless little UNDER AGE CHILDREN from gettin’ it on with persons more than 2 years older than themselves. I mean, they are CHILDREN, right? They can’t possibly consent to a natural act such as sexual intercourse or even a simple kiss.
BUT!!!! They can do this and suddenly they are “adults”…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/horror-caught-video-13-15-year-old-girls-murder-driver-dc-walk-past-body-look-cellphone/
The Missouri Legislation is Missouri House Bill 2142 Sponsored by State House Representative Hannah Kelly, A Registered Republican from the Mountain Grove Area.
-It Bans Sex Offenders from going within 500 Feet of Conservation Open Space where children are said to frequent….
What About the Grocery Store, The Doctor’s Office, The Dentist’s Office, Subway, McDonalds, The Chinese Restaurant, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, All Airports, ..Hospitals….Places of Worship….etc
Soon, the Only Place will be the Liquor Store and the Porn Shop….Over 18 yrs of age?….Correct?!?!?…What a Fckin OXYMORON!
Every dumb a— politician that has no clue what there doing and wants to get their name on a bill that will be sure to pass because every no guts politician is afraid to challenge it , just puts the words more restrictions for sex offender on it and there you go.
Just like the hype about Governor Cuomo who is probably a disgusting flirt and vulgar and probably was before he became Governor . Every other politician is jumping on the band wagon telling him to resign. From what I’ve seen in the news ,what he has done is inappropriate and out of taste and all of the above but not illegal and could be applied to a lot of men in positions of authority. Women at the time go along with it to further their ambitions , then later when that time is over they turn like a rattle snake on there victims . After all there both just harmless snakes.
*Hospitals
Oh, but they already DO clandestinely screen for people forced to register at their so-called “welcome centers” in the lobbies of most Hospitals now.
Facts
Yes, I have been a victim of that at a large florida hospital that I shall not name (But you know who it is if you live here). I never mentioned my status but when of the nurses whispered in my ear that she was going to make me pay for what I did.
I grabbed the emergency pull string and when the other nurses came in I demanded a management staff come in and that nurse was to not come near me or I was calling my parents, a lawyer and the news.
Not punishment but we are punished every single day of our lives with the label stamped across our heads called the registry. Very few people are going to look up your charges but anyone who googles your name will instantly see your registry profile.
We are not allowed to be on social media but we ARE on social media, it is called the registry and you cannot opt out.
True humiliation to get Bounced by a Sex Offender
I keep hoping for the day that it gets so ridiculous that any idiot can see how wrong it all is. A recent ludicrous outcome: the State believes and is telling the public they have the right to be protected from a class of people whom the government has declared as “dangerous.” We don’t have the right to be protected from anyone save a temporary restraining order. It’s a right assumed.
Rich
When I worked in law enforcement, I would have nightmares and sometimes cry myself to sleep. Not because of the blood and guts I saw all the time (That too though). No it was the stuff that was done to people like George Floyd.
I worked in Law enforcement in the 1980s for a huge department. There was a lot of things going on that made me sick. When I tried to speak up, I was told if I reported something against another officer, my career would be over.
I transfered to homicide just so I was not dealing with live people anymore. After a while I resigned because even that took a toll on my mental health seeing all that death. The lies, cover ups and back stabbing would have made most movies you see unbelievable.
Some join to make a difference in the community like I did, others join because they want power and control. I found out real quick I was kicking dead horses with my efforts.
I solved my first homicide within a month of being hired. The credit was given instead to a senior officer. Only one person in a department of 1000s even acknowledged my efforts to help solve the crime. I was a nobody in a sea of vultures.