Missouri proposes bill to create registry of murderers
For those who always asked, why isn’t there a registry of Murderers, Missouri is proposing to create one. HB 1705 has just passed through the Missouri House and is headed to the Senate for consideration. The bill specifies that the State Highway Patrol must maintain on its website a registry for violent offenders who are on probation or parole for the offense of first or second degree murder in Missouri or for an equivalent offense in any other state.
However, unlike the sex offender registry, registrants to the murder registry would come off the list once their parole is over.
And why would someone who has taken a life get better treatment than those of us who had no victim? God forbid I don’t wish a registry on anyone, but coming man.
Willing to bet if it passes the Federal Courts will declare it unconstitutional for all the reasons they should have declared SORNA unconstitutional.
BING to the O. BINGO we have a winner. If that passes (The part about them being able to get off that registry at some point) that is further proof of punishment. Why do they get a path forward, a way off so easily and yet some of us have been on the registry since Moses parted the Red sea. With no way off, even until death we doth not pass from the holds of such sorrows.
What happened to:
“The principle that the law must be general—that it must apply equally to all—is a fundamental demand of legal morality, associated with the ideal of the rule of law.”
Source borrowed from the Iowa law review.
At least it is more reasonable than the Florida sex offender registry.
Capt
Or what they will do, is what they did to us. Make it soft, then each year add to it until they are on for life with no way off. It could go one of three ways. Get struck down, allowed to pass, or get more severe with each add on.
I and many others have said, this “Might” be a good thing as it brings light to the fact that eventually, the more these are allowed, Everyone in the U.S will eventually be on some sort of registry.
Bad parent registry
Animal abuse registry
Daycare abuse registry
Tax evasion registry
Bad driver registry
It may take this to end the madness. Unfortunately, some of us will be in a nursing home before that happens. Oh wait, Correction, we are not allowed in nursing homes.
O how convenient. But it would be unconstitutional to keep them on the registry for longer than there probation, now wouldn’t it. Hmmm.
Of course there is a path off. This way they can run later on making it for 10 years and then after that they run on making it 25 years and so it goes. They know how to work it to get voting longevity. And the police get a great talking point about protecting you and of course $$
Another waste of money. I hope enough people are outraged about this that they look at SOR and rule it unconstitutional. Yeah, a farfetched thought, but trying to look on the bright side.
Some that already exist in some form
#1 Animal Abuse registry (Some places already have that but it is private)
#2 Out of control law enforcement officer registry (in house use)
#3 Day care worker physical abuse registry (Not associated with a sex offense but violence) Being looked at and may exist in some form already
It may take everybody on some sort of registry to break the hold on these so called “non punitive” shaming.
Source mentioned on the news over the past year.
Volusia County has, I believe, an animal rights registry. It’s called Ponce’s law. If memory serves me correctly.
My apologies, Ponce’s Law is a state law signed by Gov. Rick Scott. Allows for the imposing of longer jail time for anyone convicted of animal cruelty and can prevent them from being able to own animals afterwards.
BWJ
I watch so much news I get some things confused. But either they proposed the animal abuse registry but it went nowhere, or it passed and it is private. Regardless, no registry anyone could ever be put on could be worse than the one we are on.
More things that are allowed to cause us harm and pain, such as Nextdoor taking it to the “Next” level of harassment. This shows there is no end to the harm to not only us, but our families who did nothing wrong. Why should my grandson be punished by none of the other kids wanting to play with him because his grandpa is a creepy pervert?
The other side says “We” brought this on ourselves. Well yes and no. I got arrested which was my fault alone. But there was NO registry when It happened, when I was arrested, when I was sentenced, nor while in prison. AND, I got arrested, NOT my family.
There is the saying from the Bible about the sins of the Father, cursing their offspring, and this may be an example of this. curses are meant to be broken, so HOW do we break this one that has a hold on us? Most of us have paid the price, 100 times over, so what does society want? Our heads on a platter?
According to what I could find, Governor Scott signed it into law. However the only person that I can find on it, was the guy Volusia wrote the law for. I didn’t mean to suggest that this or any registry is equal to the horrors that Florida and other states put us through. I still have anxiety attacks if I think about my interactions with Uncle Leo. When I left Florida for Carolina they still messed with me by having me report to the wrong county as well Volusia County failing to amend my records showing that I was no longer under probation. I haven’t experienced Next-door, nor do I want to. I have experienced mailers sent to the neighborhood in Ohio, which violated the registry/law. Keep moving forward and endure.
BWJ
So all of us on the registry are all related because we all have an Uncle LEO LOL
Most people would be excited when their uncle comes for a visit, but we all dread a visit from ole Uncle Leo, his bag of tricks and judgmental attitudes. At least he only comes by twice a year and doesn’t stay long at our house.
I have heard of people not on probation, allowing LEO’s into their house without a warrant. We have nothing to hide but they are not making it past the front door unless they have a warrant.
🤣🤣😂😂laughing so I don’t cry. Cripes.
I thought society frowned on the Internet being used for shaming and bulling???? Oh, wait.. society has hypocritical, selective outrage.
Lets just put a QR CODE on everyone’s forehead and be done with it.
Facts
Be careful what you wish for. There is that thing called the “Mark of the beast” in the Bible where no one can buy or sell without receiving the mark. Although none of us can say with certain what the mark will be, it could be a required tattoo, a bar code, a micro-chip, etc.
And if anyone thinks that is far fetched, look how fast technology is advancing. People paying for purchases with a swipe of their phones. Another prophecy states that physical money will disappear and already a large percentage of people no longer pay with cash.
For years us registered citizens have wondered why there’s no list for crimes other than sex offenses. Our complaints are being heard. Hopefully this is just the beginning of lists for all crimes. That will make us happy.
I’ve never seen FAC advocate registries for anyone.
Normalization of registries hurts our members. We should never allow the public to become too comfortable with them.
I’ve seen plenty of posts here questioning the unfairness of only a registry for sex offenses. Where’s the registry for those conviction of murder, assault, armed robbery, drink driving, etc., etc. Now that it looks like it’s going happening we’re going to claim we just joking around?
We’ve had other conviction registries in multiple states for years. Not once has that benefitted former sex offenders, which is probably one reason why FAC wisely avoids advocating for those registries.
If I must be on a registry, I would rather be on one that meant something and maybe served a purpose, such as some of the other proposed registries, rather than there be just a sex offender registry only that serves no positive purpose. I’m for any registry if it will keep the public safe. The sex offender registry does not serve that purpose. Since no public registry has yet served that purpose, we need to quit wasting taxpayer funds on their maintenance.
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I am against registries in any form. Having said that, two points. If you are to have one, why “Re-punish” people by making it retro-active. And #2, In Florida anyway, there is almost NO path or incentive to get off it. Those two facts or factors, prove without a doubt that the registry as it stands, is punitive.
Tired of law makers AND judges burying their heads in the sand, instead of doing the right and just thing.
Any registry after one pays one’s debt to society is cruel and unusual punishment. It’s time for lawmakers and law enforcers to get their heads out of the ‘up and locked’ position. If it isn’t punishment and solves no threats to society, what is a registry purpose? Could it be $$$? The only problem it has solved is providing a paycheck for those who maintain it.
Anonymous
I wonder if it will be applied retroactively, like it was to many of us. If not, then being able to eventually get removed, and not being retroactive (If it isn’t) are more proofs of not applying the laws Equally.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/7-in-depth/michigan-child-abuse-offender-registry-coming-soon-after-fight-by-2-local-moms?_amp=true
I posted a question on the facebook group page asking a legitimate question. I asked how will having names of people convicted of child abuse published on their registry prevent future abuse. I explained that this is a legitimate question and they refused to publish my question.
The facebook group is nothing but a bunch of hateful people. I saw one lady being targeted by the group for stating children should not be taught gender identity or sex education in elementary school, and does not support a political party that allows men to use a women’s restroom, and vice versa.
I am not for registries even though I have said in the past others need to be registered because I want them and theirs to feel the same pain those who are forced to register and theirs today feel. There are other registries today that dot the landscape and more are coming. Is that what it will take to get others to understand the pain related to them or will that only feed the beast of those who are masochistic in their thinking of punishment required for people?
Interesting this is coming from the state of Mis-er-y which wants to lead the nation in something from flyover country.
Registering more people won’t reduce registration. Don’t feed the beast!
https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0427-gun-offender-registry-20220426-4p2mkhmdfnecxbtnmqrfgeexbe-story.html
Don’t let them normalize registries!
The States of Illinois, Kansas, Montana and Oklahoma have Homicide Offender Registries. They also exist across the Atlantic in some Countries in Europe as well, too. In the United States theyre Public Registries. In Europe theyre Private Registries.