SB 512: Vacation Rentals – Introduced this legislative session
It’s that time of year again. The time when new bills start being introduced this legislative session. One of the first to come up on our radar is SB 512, which is a resurfacing of a failed bill from last year, the crux of it’s impact on our population would be that it would require a “Vacation Rental” to be registered as a Temporary Residence, but then defines that vacation rental as a place where a person “lodges for 24 hours or more”!
There was once a time when you can take a 14 day vacation and not have to register. Then it became 5 days. Then it became 3, and now, if this bill passes, we’re down to 24 hours.
We’ve seen similar vacation rental bills come and fail over the past few years, so we hope this one will see the same fate, still, while it’s hanging out there it’s a concern.
This bill was introduced a couple days ago and can be tracked here: https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/512/?Tab=BillHistory.
Thanks to Jerry from our Legislative Committee for being our eyes and ears.
The reasoning I can see thru the lines of this bill, is to make it as difficult on hotel and motel owner’s and chains, in an attempt to make it so they won’t even bother renting to people on the registry. This is an asinine attempt again at preventing us from traveling about, while hiding it as some bill that doesn’t enforce non-movement directly. Law maker’s are always out to dictate what, where, who, and why we can do in regards to everything. They just can’t come off as unconstitutional as to how it’s implemented.
Tereto and members, I have two friends who are LE in Central Florida (the home home Disney and other theme parks). I won’t say which agency but they told me that some LE are holding seminar type training for hotels and hotel managers/staff to instruct them how to examine our DLs for the identifiers. They are doing this to gather information on length of stays. In other words, some LE are making snitches out of hotel management/staff to report RSOs who stay at hotels, particularly in Central Florida. Be careful.
Anonymous
Their end game is quite obvious, to send us all back to that hotel Hell called the Department of corrections. For me to go back there, they would just have to take me out because the rules for the registry are so similar to the hair trigger on a gun. One wrong move and you are done like a well cooked steak.
I completely believe this.
You should also be aware that likely all license plates of all cars are always being scanned EVERYWHERE in America and the date/time/locations of all of them is being stored, possibly even permanently. Private individuals can do this at their own homes. It is easy.
So basically you should assume that your movements are always being tracked and recorded.
The dummies who like to pretend that the Oppression Lists (OLs) are useful are apparently too dumb to realize that the actual criminals know all of this stuff and they are not the people who are telling law enforcement where they will be, when, etc., etc., etc. Are they really that dumb? Or do they just want to harass PFRs? Personally, I think they get off on the harassment and that is what the OLs are all about – harassment and pretending that they are doing actual work instead of just wasting time and other limited resources. Just my personal belief.
I’ve told the criminals plenty of times that if I’m ever going to think about doing something illegal, I won’t be telling them anything about it in advance. It would be completely asinine of them to believe otherwise. Of course, some of them are that asinine and probably think their OLs are useful somehow. We’ve seen that we can’t fix stupid and they love the OLs.
Who introduced this bill,Lauren Book?
Bob
My Theory is, Satan is behind it all , or at least his little helpers.
That’s right. Satan loves the hate and divisiveness of the Oppression Lists. That is why the federal criminal regime has Satan Watch and not Angel Watch.
I do not understand something. If, when you are sentenced for your crime, and told you have to register, then the terms of your registration, should be the terms until, if and when you are taken off the registry. By the government changing the terms of registration isn’t that increasing your punishment.
I thought that they cannot retroactively increase your punishment.
Tired
That is easy. We call it punishment, but numerous judges have ruled NONE of the registry requirements are punishment. A few random judges have but scattered here and there around the country. Also those rulings are usually only applied to THAT one person who challenged the punishment that is not punishment.
Do you have a headache yet? Because I sure do along with stomach issues. And not because of covid but due to Governments, lawyers, judges, legislatures who keep dumping piles of dog doo on our pleas for relief and doggone justice for God sake.
Let me try to restate this. The registration, when we were sentenced should not change. By legislators changing the registry now, they are retroactively changing our sentences… And I thought they were not allowed to do that.
Believe me, we are all tired. But you are not quite correct. Registration is NOT a part of your sentence or punishment. Rather it is a collateral consequence of the conviction just as is not being allowed to own a firearm, to vote or to hold certain public offices. Those things can change at any time without affecting your sentence or the terms of a plea agreement.
I know that sounds like legal nit picking, because it is. The registry is considered a civil regulatory measure like speed limits or zoning laws. That is the crux of our ex post facto problem. We all know that the registry is punishing, but it is another matter to convince the courts that it constitutes punishment under the law.
As Cherokee pointed out, courts generally don’t hand down decisions that reach beyond the specifics of a case. That has put registrants in the position of merely pulling at threads rather than ripping the whole cloth. Some courts find that one turn of the thumbscrews (metaphorically) is not punishment but perhaps five is. So we still have the thumbscrews but only with four turns. Another jurisdiction might find that three turns constitutes punishment. Until thumbscrews are in and of themselves found to be punishment by the high court, this silliness will continue.
Veritas.
Grateful for our Legislative Committee.
Is there anything in particular that members ought to be doing right now to keep this bill from getting momentum? Any particular call to action at this time?
Legislators are idiots. They have no concern for the population of Floriduh or America. If they did, they’d never consider supporting the Oppression Lists any longer. They’ve done nothing but harm America.
I do find it hilarious how desperate they are to keep trying to pass “sex offender” harassment “laws”. Each one gets ever more useless and counterproductive. They are pathetic.
I spent this entire weekend hanging out with random families and children that had no idea that I’m a PFR. That is not ever going to change, no matter how many dumb “laws” the criminals pass.
The answer is to wage war on the criminal regimes. Work to keep them dysfunctional.
I did the same thing Will. I was at a local park all morning and most of the afternoon on Saturday flying my model planes. I had tons of kids come over to me saying how cool they were and asking questions. No one had a clue I am on the hit list,. Even a local cop who was patrolling stopped for a while to watch.
Yep…we’re such a danger to society.
Oh no. There’s another “sex offender” loophole that needs to be closed!! You used something that attracted children. Why isn’t that illegal?!
The fact is that all PFRs that I know are around children all the time. The Oppression Lists are a PR stunt designed to make Karens feel more capable of gossiping and harassing. No one with any sense wastes any time with the Lists.
Note that there are a lot of different provisions in this bill. Many of them, I assume, are fine, and we probably take no position on them.
It’s just the provision about sex offender registration. If getting them to strike or modify that provision is easier than killing this bill’s momentum, that would be fine I think.
I am absolutely fed up with all these politicians dictating what I can do in my life. I did my time, I did 10 years of counseling, 5 years of victims counseling, 9 years of 10 on probation and was let off early. I was not required to register at all. That was not part of my sentence. I am so sick of all the bs that these people put us through. I have been absolutely trouble free since I plead out in March of 1996. I did face a failure to register charge in 2009 but beat it. Enough is enough. The registry is a joke. May God have mercy on their souls. (Or maybe not) I hope we get results soon from the challenges that are in court.
TWMJ
I do not think any one person is more pissed at the registry than anyone else. As a collective we are treated lesser than caged animals at the zoo. It does seem if you have a measly $50 grand to pay lawyers, the courts are more willing to let “ONE” person off the registry than the entire population.
Having said that, not only do the majority of us not have that, we shouldn’t have to anyway. This was placed on us after many of us entered plea deals and the registry was NOT part of any deal. So who are the real criminals in this situation?
My charges are from 1991. There was no registry active in Florida at that time and I hadn’t even heard of a registry until just before I was released from prison. The next day after getting released I had to report to the probation office and then call and make an appointment with the Sheriffs office to register.
I tried to get my lawyer to go back and withdraw my plea but said there was nothing he could do as too much time had passed. But the Government seems to have no time restrictions? I guess they can create any law they want. Heck let’s make eating Campbells soup on a Wednesday illegal. And before we ask how these people sleep at night with how they treat us, most of them live in luxury homes in gated communities where they are shielded from the World. And who wants their hands dirty from the scurge of the Earth Sex offenders. We wouldn’t want to give them cooties now would we?
Exactly. There are no legitimate reasons to treat the Oppression Lists (OLs) as acceptable. They are an immoral act of war.
These criminal regimes say that I’m a problem. I have an obligation to be as big of a problem as I possible can. America is hateful and divided. I will continue to help that. Never assume that the OLs aren’t driving plenty of it. If the criminal regimes are going to conduct wars on their own citizens, and plenty of anti-Americans are going to support them, there must be consequences.
FAC I can’t see where it redefines vacation rental as “anyplace where a person lodges for 24 hours or more,” nor otherwise requires registration of all places where one lodges for >24 hours.
Instead it appears to retain the existing statutory definition of vacation rental and say that THOSE require registration if >24 hours. Which is still not good, but narrower than including, say, hotels, relatives’ guest rooms, etc. Registration of those would NOT be affected by this bill. Essentially the same vacation rental provision that we fought last season.
Correct?
Before we express our concerns to the Senate, we just need to be sure we are reading it properly and agree on what it does. Otherwise the bill’s sponsor can easily shoot down our concerns in committee, as Sen Book tried (and failed) to do in defending her “two or more days” bill last season.
Consider p. 21 of this bill, which amends the existing Temporary Residence definition to read, “The term [Temporary Residence] also includes a vacation rental, as defined in s. 509.242(1)(c), where a person lodges for 24 hours or more.” Note it does NOT change the def of vacation rental at all, just subjects vacation rentals (and only vacation rentals, as defined) to a narrower (24 hour) standard for registration.
Correct. This proposed statute does not decrease the temporary residence definition from 3 days to 24 hours. It merely states that staying in a vacation rental (which is not the same thing as a hotel) for 24 hours or more qualifies as a temporary residence. That is very clear in the text of the proposed statute. Yes, it’s bad for those who are interested in staying in vacation rentals, but it does not reduce the temporary residence definition from 3 days to 24 hours in general.
Helpful clarification from RM. We will still oppose, but in doing so will have a better concept of what we’re talking about. FAC, the above is what you meant, right?
How are the judges not seeing these evils as punishment? Banning people who have done their time from vacation with their families is ludicrous (Not to be confused with the Rapper, which should not be confused with a wrapper).
And yes we would be banned and here is why. Even if we agreed to the 24 hours stay registration, once the owner of the place finds that out, our registration suddenly disappears like a relative that owes you money.
I quickly scanned the legislation and didn’t see a reference to sex offenders. Perhaps I missed it. How will this legislation directly affect PFRs? The danger I see is the legislation leaves the field open to pass local ordinances. Aren’t registrants visiting Florida required to register within something like 48 hours anyway?
If a registrant visits Florida will his vacation address be shown on the public website as a result of the “temporary residence” designation? If so, that is totally absurd even under Florida standards of irrationality.
Veritas.
Does FAC have any data on how many crimes were committed by registrants on vacation in Florida for any year? I only ask because I know Senator Danny Burgess has no idea. This is, as they all are, another bill that solves a problem that doesn’t exist just so Senator Burgess can pat himself on the back at reelection time.
Every law that reduces the rights of citizens should require peer reviewed data to support the law being proposed. If that existed, most SORNA laws would not exist.
ALAN
And not that they care but, each new law, regulation etc they add to us is another layer of shoots and ladders traps for us to unknowingly fall into. Pretty soon we will have to carry a back pack of rules just to be able to leave the house. We will have to hire personal advisors 24/7 to follow us around and make sure we do not step on a landmine of violations.
Most sex crimes take place in environments familiar to the victim, not vacation rentals.
I think this Bill is really about the REGULATION OF THE AIRBNB’s etc!…SO THE STATE GETS THEIR TAX MONIES, PERMIT MONIES, ETC!
Of course, ‘THEY’ will attach nasty stuff to create more havoc for ‘Persons Forced to Register’….It is actually called ‘Pork Barrel Legislation’ where ‘THEY’ add more FAT!….Should be called ‘Legislative Sausage Making’!
Oh no the state might enact a law levying taxes & fees, are they even allowed to do that
I saw in the news today that a convicted murderer who was recently released from a Florida prison is now suspected in the slaying of a young woman. No registration requirements for murderers. None of the other punishments we all face. Yet, he allegedly killed again. Will the cowards in Florida’s legislature make a murderer registry with all the restrictions we suffer? I bet not. See Florida convicted murderer released from prison charged in brutal slaying of missing young mom
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-convicted-murderer-slaying-missing-mom
Bob
According to a former post by FAC, there IS in fact a murder registry. But supposedly it is not made public.
However I have looked several times and could find zero mention of it anywhere.
The legislators can take this vacation rental registry requirement and place it where the sun don’t shine. I didn’t do 29 years in the military to have some ‘wet behind the ears, two-bit’ politician ruin my life for a mistake made 22 years ago and subsequently corrected.
Capt. Charles, I’m right their with you. Course I never was in the military but my uncle was and he and his wife moved from were we use to live from WVA to the Pompano Beach area. I have a brother that’s a dentist retired in the Tampa area.
Yes I think I mentioned that my uncle and his friend got into a bit of an encounter of stealing a car back in the 20’s and my grandmother keep writing letters to the govern and they shipped them off to the war. My uncle survived but the other person didn’t which is a shame.
Sure when push comes to shove it seems Government are treating all those that are offenders of sex related crimes or as Will Allen says (PRF) forced to registry is very discriminating in many way. Hey if I had to do a weekend for being intoxicated I could deal with it back than. This registry and its laws has to stop in many ways or even changes need to have some limitations in many area.
This registry is unproductive
This is confusing me. In reading the change, are they implying you have to register if you stay 24 hours in a motel? A hotel/motel room is part of the definition of a hotel room, after all.
Does not apply to hotels, motels, your mom’s home, your cousin’s apt, etc. just vacation rentals as already defined in statute.
FAC’s language here is a bit confusing, but I applaud our lege committee for their timeliness.
All, it is for times like this that we need a war chest. So when laws get passed we can file an injunction immediately. How tired does one need to become before we politely nudge the ship in the correct direction. I propose we begin to fund FAC. Not for specific cases but but for all cases. I am willing to send in $500 before December 31st 2021 if I can get 100 others to send in $100 each. For next year I will pledge $100 per month if 500 of you will just pledge $50.00 each per month. I will not bore you with the math but…. that works out to $25,100 per month next year. Along side $10,500 before the end of the year.
Thoughts criticism welcome
Join me. 6 Days of Prayers.
Starting today I will be doing 6 days of prayer.
Day 1 Prayer for all registrants and their families
Day 2 Our neighbors & the Public in general
Day 3 Law enforcement
Day 4 Legislatures & Politicians
Day 5 Judges
Day 6 Lawyers for both sides of the issues on the registry
Day 1 To All of us and our families
Isaiah 32:18
“My people will live in peaceful dwelling places, in secure homes, in undisturbed places of rest.”
Amen
I am so embarrassed. I apologize, I need to add a day 7.
God reminded me of the most important in this list, the victims of sexual abuse.
So day 7 Will be prayer for all those who have been a victim of abuse.
Day 2 of prayer
Our neighbors & the Public
James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.
Amen
Day 3 of prayer
Prayer for law enforcement
James 3:13
Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.
Amen
Cherokee. Look up trapping by intimidation as they are doing this to many in much of this unconstitutional way.
Day 4 -Prayer for Legislatures & Politicians
Ephesians 1:18
“The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of His calling.”
Day 5 prayer
For judges
Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others.
He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
Amen
Day 6
Prayer for Lawyers on both sides
Romans 5:20
“the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:”
Amen
Final
Day 7 & bonus day 8
Prayers for all victims of sexual abuse
Psalm 147:3
He heals the brokenhearted
And binds up their wounds.
Prayers for F.A.C
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
“Upon Allah we have relied.Our Lord, decide between us and our people in truth, and You are the best of those who decide.” عَلَى اللَّهِ تَوَكَّلْنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا افْتَحْ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَ قَوْمِنَا بِالْحَقِّ وَأَنتَ خَيْرُ ٱلْفَـٰتِحِينَ Alal-lahi tawakkalna Rabbanaa iftah baynanaa wabayna qawminaa bil-haqqi wa-anta khayrul faatiheen Surah Al-‘A`rāf, verse 89
DUA
Even though we practice a different faith, we have many of the same goals. So we can stand together towards what we have in common.
Peace, love and mercy be with you and us all
Amplifying information:
Line 606 of SB 512 s. 775.21(2)(n) “Temporary residence”:
The term also includes a vacation rental, as defined in s. 509.242(1)(c), where a person lodges for 24 hours or more.
s. 509.242(1)(c) at http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.242.html
Vacation rental.—A vacation rental is any unit or group of units in a condominium or cooperative or any individually or collectively owned single-family, two-family, three-family, or four-family house or dwelling unit that is also a transient public lodging establishment but that is not a timeshare project.
SB 512 is sponsored by Senator Burgess
https://flsenate.gov/Senators/S20
The House companion bill HB 325 is sponsored by Rep. Fischer
https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4639&LegislativeTermId=89
As always, grateful for our legislative committee.
So our official (FAC) position is, we take no position on the bill overall except that the sentence in Lines 606-607 be struck through (if that’s the technical term).
Do I have that right?
Then we can leave it to the special interests on both sides to debate the rest of the bill.
Still no end in sight!!!! Can’t take much more!!!. But got too!!!. “NOT”. 😠
In Isiah 13:11 it says talks about wicked and punishment here’s a reference https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Punishment-Of-The-The-Wicked
You see nothing wrong with a little with righteousness and guidance in this world or day and age but the bible is also a guide for mankind and yes it is filled with knowledge and wisdom that we all need to seek and search much of this out out. Sure I was scared in my own situation and when they gave me a plea deal that sounded so out of place as far as much of this whole deceptive ordeal goes.
Yes I visited my uncle in Pompano and he told me you don’t want to get in jail here. Yes I had a little spell of drinking when I grew up but this ordeal is a bit more than drinking to say the least.
At least my grandparents, mom, and myself and got to see Miami and their son back in the mid 70’s but this registry is a bit much in many ways for maany men and women. That’s why righteousness needs to be in true government and much of this registry gone by the way in its understanding by this inducement.