USA Today Fact Check: Some states require special IDs for people with a sex offense
People with a past sex offense are required to have their driver’s license branded in some states, and in the states where such laws have been overturned, it has been due to free speech concerns, not privacy.
Why is this branding necessary when so much personal information for registrants is already available online for the public?
Kansas and at least eight other states have laws on the books requiring registrants’ licenses to be branded. Florida requires some registrants to have “SEXUAL PREDATOR” spelled out on their IDs.
We wait to see if the U. S. Supreme Court is going to hear the Louisiana case. Compelled speech!
Did you see the two idiots who said:
“Ask their victims if it was fair” and “Fair went out the window when they broke the law”.
Unfortunately I got banned from Twitter by the Almighty Rasputin Clan for apparently hurting some snowflake’s feels in an argument on there.
Someone with access to their Twitter account to respond and ask them: What “victims” exist for someone who got caught peeing behind a bush? Or the couple that got caught gettin’ it on in the backseat? Or the adults who “offended” when they were children themselves with that thing called “sexting”?
People who say the idiotic shit the first two commenters said are obviously fans of TV crime show propaganda. They need to be schooled. And not necessarily in a nice way. They’re arrogant so be arrogant right back at them. Leave them speechless. I’m 100% certain if you used the examples I have as questions to ask them, the only thing these brainless zombies would say back is the ever so clever “WeLl yOu mUsT bE oNe ThEn”.
To which I would say: Just like your kid might be one someday.
So many people get “offended” for things that don’t even affect them. Reminds me of those Puritans or those under Sharia.
So if it’s now okay to compel speech from those required to register, how long before it’s required for everyone? That’s exactly what a vaccine passport is. HIPPA be damned!
Once freedom of speech, or in our case, from speech, is lost, America will have become a “banana republic.”
Florida sex offender’s have a statue number marked on the drivers license if your on the registry. Its not enough that you have many other restrictions imposed on you by the state. Your only form of identification is marked to single you out when its requested for all the world to see.
I thought I could maybe get out of this mess by trying to move to one of the Cherokee Nation reservations. Even though they are a
sovereign nation, I found out they also have a sex offender registry.
This is what they sent me:
Sex Offender Registry
Pursuant the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006 and the 2008 Cherokee Nation Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act, any convicted sex offender who lives, works, or attends school on “Indian Country” within Cherokee Nation’s 14 County Jurisdiction must register as a Sex Offender with Cherokee Nation, in addition to any other state, territory, or tribal registration.
Ok the link did not appear before to the Cherokee Nation sex offender registry
https://cherokee.nsopw.gov/ConditionsOfUse.aspx
people will never suceed in life nor get ahead of the game with this kind of branding.. might as well send them back to the 60s and toss burning crosses in there yard and have ropes and tall trees cause this is just setting things back many yrs to and Era Of MLK and what he fought for the freedoms of the people of color
Experenced
Or what my ancestors went through being rounded up and sent to reservations, having their land stolen, and treated like 3rd rate citizens, or not citizens at all from a country they were born in.
Back in the 70s I spent an entire weekend at the Seminole tribes reservation. I guess I am spoiled but I found their way of life very boring.
Experenced
Or the way my people were treated when their land was taken and were sent off to small plots of land and treated like 3rd rate citizens.
Back in the 1970s I visited the Seminole tribe in South Florida. I spent a weekend there. That was back when Billy was the chief. I guess I am spoiled but I did not like the food and their way of life was rather boring LOL
But that’s exactly what they want, so it is working perfectly as they see it. They don’t want you to succeed, nor do they want you to become a productive citizen in society. That would show the unnecessary need for the registry, and in Florida, that is big big money.
Florida isn’t a place I’d put money on doing the right thing. It’s a casino where the house always wins and cards are stacked against you. Moving or fighting against the casino is the only way for it to see bankruptcy. Money is the only thing Florida understands.
I’ve been saying that for years. With no income tax, Florida will do anything to bring money in. That is why they refuse to let anyone off the registry. Florida doesn’t care about resident safety, they only care about that Federal money for such an inflated registry.
Follow the money. IF they truly cared about making people safer, then rehabilitation and reintegration will work far better than the public doxxing database, er SORNA. Defund the Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking https://smart.ojp.gov/ and watch states collapse their registries.
deanfisher2012@gmail.com
I sent this to a house rep Dean fisher he wanted presents a bill to put ppl on the registry who have never been on the registry just have a offence on there record
Greetings
ppl who was released from the registry back in 2005 fwd. to their release dates and you think you can just put someone back on cause you think it will help public safety it wont.. that has been proven..by statistics. These ppl done there time all the way down this unjust road of amendment violations and you always here about Karma, the way this world is going now ppl accused ppl of sex crimes and getting away with it.
When are you planning to present a bill to keep Registered ppl singled out by making them ride on the back of a bus or signs telling them that they have there own drinking fountains or church’s? all this is Discrimination and MLK proved that as well.
keep this in mind as well 90 state lawmakers accused of sexual misconduct since 2017 all its going to take is a vindictive wife of a person whos’ registry has expired many yrs ago, to accuse you of this… or 1 of your family members, then what you submit a bill to abolish the registry in its entirety
as you can see very well, a video took Bill Dix down for an innocent kiss
So who is watching the watchers?
Hello, I can’t be more disgusted by the registry. My son is on it here in Tennessee. To get his drivers license here he had to bring a piece of paper showing he was on the registry at the DMV so that a special mark would be on his Drivers License. He lives in fear of vigilantly behavior thanks to the registry. Although it seems possible for him to get off the registry in the next few years, we are seeing first hand how difficult it has made life. From finding a place to live to finding gainful employment, the process may be impossible for others. Not that I think it would be fair, but what if those that have murdered or sold drugs had to get a special license to DRIVE? I’m grateful to be in a discussion of disgust and hopeful for change.
Brandi
Thank you for your comment and joining our group of like minded people. Just know you are not alone. It does affect ALL of our families. Stay strong and do not give up.
Jack
Brandi,
You, along with my Mother and So many other Parents are suffering something called Collateral Consequences!
And, what is more concerning, as your Parents Grow Older, it gets Much Harder!
Stay Strong!
Semper Fidelis!
How does having a branded license saying sex offender have anything to do with driving? Are people molesting cars? When I’m on the road my focus is on the reckless drivers and the I’ve had to many crowd. A branded license is nothing more than pure punishment and harassment. A branded license shouldn’t be a thing in a free society; yet the United States is looking more like a circus run by a bunch of clowns.
No offense to circuses or clowns.
Brandon
I don’t know, some of those Lamborghinis are pretty sexy.
Brandon,
the ONLY CORRELATION TO BRANDING A STATE ISSUED ID, WOULD BE, IF YOU WERE CONVICTED OF DUI/DWI, THEN THEY CAN PLACE A PIC OF A BOTTLE OF BOOZE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF YOUR LICENSE…OR, IF YOU SMOKED TOO MUCH WEED, THEY CAN PUT A GREEN LEAF LOGO ON IT…
RIGHT?
…adding levity, to such a freaking stupid scarlet letter thing!
I know it would never happen and might even make things worse. But I often think, there at least 800,000 people nationwide on some sort of registry. I have seen thinks like the million man march and other large protests on Washington. If we could get just 1/10th of those registered to show up and do a march, maybe someone would finally listen.
Not violent protests or burning things down. We could all sit down and block all the major roads in the city. Imagine trying to arrest 80,000 people. Something has to give. Either we are all just going to lay down and take it, or we are all going to get frustrated and do something stupid. They keep adding more and more so called “non” punitive rules to violate.
I am not an aggressive person and when I register I am polite and get in and get out without incident. But I am noticing the officer who use to be really cool who comes to do compliance checks is getting more and more defensive with me like I pissed in his cereal. I know I didn’t do anything to him so what changed????????
Maybe they are now requiring all officers who do compliance checks to read our court records to see just how disgusting we really are?
Oh, and to add to my last line. I did not realize the public could get an un-redacted copy of our record. (Minus the victim(s) info).
Some A-Hole who I use to live next to was trying to get me to move. He paid for about 50 copies of my arrest and court records and hung them on all the neighbors doors. He even gave me one, how nice of him.
CherokeeJack
People like that need to watch re-runs of Mister Rogers. Being a jerk isn’t being neighborly. Heck if you were my neighbor I’d shoot the breeze with you.
Ifa Protest ever happens in Floriduh, Let me know !! I’ll Surely come and Stand with You !!!!.
Tired
OK me plus you equals two LOL
Now we just the other 79,999 to join in
Make it 3 👌
NARSOL is planning a national protest in Washington, D. C. in March of 2023.
I know ACSOL is planning a March 2023 event in Washington, D. C.
NARSOL is also??
Thank you for the correction, David. Yes it is ASCOL that is planning the march in Washington, D. C. in March of 2023. My guess is that NARSOL will be participating in some way, but that is only a guess.
Media
I thought it was Janice’s organization meeting in Washington March of 2023. More the merrier and hopefully the lightbulb brightens in the eyes of the lawmakers regarding the registry. Time to show you and speak out!!
CherokeeJ..
DO YOU KNOW THE STATUTORY CODE THAT MANDATES COMPLIANCE CHECKS IN THE FEDERAL SORNA?
I CANNOT FIND THE STATUTORY CODE WHICH MANDATES COMPLAINCE CHECKS?!?!?!?
Truth
I do not, sorry. I rarely read any of the statues because it gives me a bad stomach. Reading the hundreds of lines they have added over the years to our “Non punishment” life sentences makes me want to punch a wall.
FAC is not a law firm and does not give out legal advice.
See https://oppaga.fl.gov/Documents/Reports/18-08.pdf, page 10, “Address verification” for a discussion on this topic.
@ Truth and Science: With regard to compliance checks, I don’t believe there are any Federal (or any State) requirement for registrants. There may exist requirements for law enforcement to conduct compliance checks… which, as expected, they may or may not follow.
But there is no requirement, for example, for a Registrant to be home between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. every morning so LEOs can stop by and verify your address. That’s on them to verify – not you. And you don’t have to answer the door when they knock (unless still on parole or probation) – again, that’s on them, not you. Don’t believe their sh*t if they say “You need to be home – or come home now – so we can verify your residence. Nope, it’s on them, not you.
There is no law that requires you to assist their harassment efforts.
David
I once got a call on my cell phone and it was the compliance officer. He said he was going on vacation and needed to get all the checks out of the way. I try to be cool with him so he always knows I am not going to be any trouble. I went home, called him and told him I was home.
Not going to believe this, he told me “It will have to be another day, I am busy”. WTF
Amen to what David said. I hope “compliance checks” are always extremely difficult and waste tons of resources. That is how it should be. While they are goofing off with their PR stunts real crimes are being committed.
Having said that, if I’ve known an officer for a while and I find him/her to be decent and not care about the Oppression Lists then I will allow him/her to see me at my home. If I don’t like something they do, they never see me. They can’t get near my home.
I should’ve added that I require that they call me on the phone first. They call and if I recognize the number, I’m not busy, and I feel like it, I might answer. Then if I feel like it I’ll tell them it’s okay to swing by and I’ll meet them.
David
Thank you for shedding some light on the subject…
But with the SCOTUS Order in Caniglia v. Strom, LEO’s are forbidden from walking on your residence unless they have a Court Ordered Search Warrant…..or if you are on State/Federal Probation and the like…so…..
In theory, if they storm a place wherein you are a subcontractor OR ARE EMPLOYED, one can just walk away from them, as there is NO CODIFIED STATUTE MANDATING A PERSON FORCED TO REGISTER, BECAUSE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS AN ARREST and ILLEGAL DETAINMENT!
AND IS IT NOT INTERESTING, THAT THERE IS NO ATTORNEY THAT WILL TAKE ON A COMPLIANCE CASE UNLESS YOU FORK OVER $15K, INCLUSIVE OF MOST OF THE ‘LEGAL EAGLES’ THAT ARE LISTED ON THE FAC WEBSITE….
‘THIS IS A FACT JACK!’
SO IF THEY ARE CHARGING $15K UP FRONT, WELL, THAT IS TREASON AS WELL!
FACTS ARE FACTS!
Truth
That has been the case with ALL felons. Those who have the money to hire a fancy attorney will almost always fair better than those of us who run out of money. I spent over $20,000 in my case. When my lawyer wanted to go to trial (I would have won at trial) I had no money left.
Rather than advising me to get a public defender, he then used the mercy plea which failed miserably. On the other end of the spectrum, case where money is just thrown at the defense to hire “Teams” of lawyers like the Casey Anthony trial or the George Zimmerman trial. Those are two cases where I dare say millions were spent on investigations, entire practices being involved, investigators, expert witnesses etc.
I had none of that. It was me, my lawyer and my Mom against the judge and the prosecution. Not a single witness or victim was in the court room. I ended up pleading guilty to not just things I did but add on charges that are usually added for use in plea bargaining. I got found guilty of stuff I didn’t even do just because I no longer had the funds to continue my defense.
So yes, it comes down to money. Even if I had been found guilty at trial, I could have at least pled just on one charge and maybe gotten 10 years probation. But I ended up getting 25 years. Prison, House arrest and probation. And I had to do them back to back to back.
The entire time I worked 2 jobs to save money for an appeal. With 6 years remaining on my sentence I was finally able to win and have the remaining time tossed. That should have been the end of the story and I would have been fine with it. But the lifetime punishing effects of the registries ever changing rules, lives on as a pariah that cannot be shaken.
David, regarding Caniglia v. Strom, are you sure about that? That case was about LE entering INTO someones home not coming onto their property.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-157_8mjp.pdf
Correct— coming to your door is not the same as entering your residence.
LEO’s cannot step foot on your property unless they have Court Ordered Search Warrant…PLAIN AND SIMPLE
PER CANIGLIA v. Strom they cannot lurk in ur bushes…look in your windows….ETC!
WHY GIVE THEM AN INCH WHEN THEY ALWAYS WANT TO TAKE A MILE FROM YOU
F-THEM…..
AND THEY CANNOT CALL YOU…NO LEO CAN CALL YOU BY LAW AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED BY ANY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW TO RETURN THEIR CALLS…I BLOCK THEIR NUMBERS!
F-THEM
I posted the court case you refer to. Show me where in there it says what you claim.
Law enforcement can come onto people’s properties just like anyone can. They and anyone are limited to walking directly to the front via the most obvious route and can known. If no answer, they must then leave. A simple google will state this.
“Citizens have an obligation to understand their rights and make informed decisions when interacting with law enforcement. First note, in most cases, the police are allowed to come to your door and knock. Kentucky v. King (SCOTUS) laid down the law in these circumstances. “When law enforcement officers who are not armed with a warrant knock on a door, they do no more than any private citizen might do. And whether the person who knocks on the door and requests the opportunity to speak is a police officer or a private citizen, the occupant has no obligation to open the door or to speak.”
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/are-you-required-to-open-the-door-when-the-police-are-knocking-44696
“Police officers are members of the public, and, like anyone else, they are allowed to approach the front door of a residence in order to attempt to speak with the persons inside. However, the underlying premise of knock and talk is that it is a “consensual” encounter. Thus, the police must behave reasonably during a knock and talk. The officers’ actions may be deemed unreasonable and, therefore, unlawful, if, for example, they:
• Arrive at odd hours;
• Bring numerous other officers for backup;
• Display their weapons;
• Make threatening and/or coercive statements;
• Stay on your property for long periods of time; or
• Attempt to enter or search areas around the outside of your home that a member of the general public wouldn’t feel welcome to see.”
https://www.hamplaw.com/what-to-do-when-law-enforcement-knocks-at-your-door
SO, Therefore, a ‘NO TRESPASS’ SIGN WOULD, BE OBSOLETE, NULL AND VOID?!?!?!
Well, I live in a townhouse with a gated private patio. On the gate on every house, there is a no trespassing and no soliciting sign. The sheriff’s walk right through the gate to my front door every time. When asked, they said it didn’t apply to them because by law, being on the registry means they have to have access to verify residency. They said that if I had an electric gate, the law demands I give them the access number.
I don’t know if it is true, but that is what they said.
Truth
We have not one but FOUR no trespassing signs on our property plainly displayed as soon as you approach. These are not to keep law enforcement off but everyone else who wants to do us harm and harass.
Having said that, All the religious groups come to the door, All the salesmen come to the door, it is maddening. They try and say either they didn’t see them or that sales people like Spectrum etc are exempt. ?????? If I called you to come do something you are exempt, otherwise leave now.
We now no longer come to the door. We view the security camera and when the people leave we go out to see what they left on the door that can help out our efforts to promote recycling bin usage.
I like the sign I have seen in some people’s yards. It says something to the effect:
We are broke
We already found Jesus
We already voted
We bought everything we need
Go away !
It is not trespassing for a person to come from the street and walk up to your front door. So, right, a “No Trespass” sign would not be useful to stop that. But it’s not necessary. All PFRs should have their properties fenced or walled-off.
The Oppression Lists put you and your family in danger. Your property should be fenced off just for personal protection. But it will also keep the law enforcement criminals (LECs) away. Depending on where you live, it is not hard to find a sufficient amount of acreage where the perimeter can be completely wooded. Then you only need a small opening for a road into it. Gate that off and you are done.
A person who lives in an apartment or something similar could have problems. But I do think/hope/wish that some kind of sign could keep people away from your front door. Would just have to figure out the right wording.
If I lived in an apartment and LECs bothered me too much, I would just stop answering the door. They could stand out there and bang on it for an hour for all I cared. But if they only came around once or twice a year, I’d probably just let them see my face. Probably show them an ID. But that’s it.
2 ADOPTED ‘TRAINED TO KILL’PIT BULLS NOW ROAM MY RESIDENCE AND A SECOND FENCE WAS INSTALLED AROUND THE PERIMETER!
THERE IS NO STATUTORY OBLIGATION FOR LEO’S TO STEP FOOT ON YOUR RESIDENCE, ETC
I BEG YOU TO DIFFER, …..(DUDE/DUDETTE, ‘LPH’)
‘THEY’ ARE OUT TO TRIP YOU UP!..
10% OF THE LEO’S, IN MY OPINION ARE ACTUALLY REAL HUMANS AND GOOD PEOPLE, …BUT THE REST….OUR CHEROKEEJ, HERE, CAN CHIME ON that subject!
Truth
I do not think anyone on earth is qualified to say what percentage of any people are good or bad. I base my judgements on how people treat me and others. I know when I worked in law enforcement there were 3 categories of people (In my opinion).
The good, the bad and the neutral. The good ones stood out and treated everyone with respect , other officers and the public.
The bad ones treated the public like crap on the bottom of their shoes and “Everyone” was a suspect, unless they were a cop. And, many of them treated other cops bad. For example when I showed compassion for homeless people I was called a wuss.
Then there are the neutrals. Those were the cops that were not memorable. The blended in and didn’t want any trouble. They hardly did their job and were just trying to make it to retirement. They had a “Take it or leave it” attitude. A lot of them if you got into a fight with a suspect, they would stand there and watch you get a beat down. Once you got the suspect under control, they would come over and act like they were concerned. The tell you, “When you write your report, leave my name out of it”.
Last year I got pulled over for barely making it under a red light (it turned red as I went under it). The officer came back to my vehicle and said ” Do you know you are on the registry?” (DUH) I held my cool and explained the bad rap I got and said I was very sorry and I have a “Safe driver” on my license. I also said I support the police and appreciate all he and others do. I never got sassy with him.
He threw the license at me and said “Slow the Hell down”. I did not get a ticket. Most would have yelled “Jerk” but I thought he was awesome. He could have given me a ticket based on not liking registrants but chose to give me a break. I am calling him a good one.
Also, he was a deputy and not a city cop. Harder to get out of tickets from a city cop. This deputy was not a designated traffic officer (Those are the motorcycle cops, motors unit) so sure he just wanted to get back in his way.
I used to work long days and worked 50 miles south of my home. So I was away from my home from 5:00 AM until 7:00 PM most days. One day I got a call from the SCSO telling me I haven’t been home, thus I was interfering with their compliance check. They told me I have to be home in 30 minutes so they can do it. I respectfully told them that I was at work, that I am not home much during the week, and their compliance check was their problem, not mine, and that I have no obligation to make it easy on them. She then asked me nicely to let her know when I was home so she could do it.
I wasn’t mean or aggressive, but I let her know that I knew it was not my problem and their is no law or court order for me to make it easy on them.
I’m always respectful because like others said, I don’t want them to see me as a problem. But I also protect myself.
My thinking, too. No advantage in capitulating to their demands; IMHO, it only encourages more bully behavior.
I agree with all this completely. I think ABC handled it well.
But I lean more toward not allowing law enforcement near me or my family ever, for any reason. So I feel the “checks” should be stopped. Let them “verify” their nonsense some other way. The criminals should just put up a camera for every PFR that faces the entrance to their home/work/whatever. Then just use the cameras. Sit there and watch them all day, I don’t care. Or something. I don’t care what they do but they need to stay away from me and my family. EVERY time I talk to them I tell them that they should be talking to the “people” who “need” the Oppression Lists (OLs) instead of talking to me. I NEVER miss an opportunity to tell them how stupid and useless the OLs are. Never. It’s the tax they have to pay.
ABC
Although I agree, I try and get it over with and move on. One time I was not home when they came to check and instead of calling me, he put a HUGE yellow sticker on my front door that said “Sex offender Task Force” and then in smaller letters said “We attempted to confirm your residence and were unable to”
Please call ASAP at #………….
They have been pretty cool but almost seems they purposely try and come when I am not home. If my vehicle is not in driveway, it sort of probably most definitely means I am NOT home.
CherokeeJack…
SIr…
FIrst, A ‘YELLOW STICKER’, is LITTERING….MEH SON!
-A ‘YELLOW STICKER’ ON YOUR DOOR? WHERE IS THE CODIFIED STATUTE THAT ALLOWS FOR SOMEONE TO TRESPASS ON YOUR PROPERTY, PER CANIGLIA V. STROM?!?!? put a Sticker on Your Door…WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT!
As a Kindly Reminder to You and all the Rest of Us on the ‘Hit List’, the Re-Registration Checks, prove all current information during Those Interrogations; Furthermore, anytime One’s Information Changes, even Slightly, Should Be RePorted PROMPTLY, and in MOST CASES, IS ALWAYS REPORTED PROMPTLY….
SO, WHY COMPLIANCE CHECKS, WHEN THERE IS NO STATUTORY LAW MANDATING THE AFOREMENTIONED??
‘THEY ARE MANUFACTURING CRIME, ONCE AGAIN!’
Truth
Native Americans were Code breakers during the war. Being a former cop and the Cherokee blood that runs through my veins, I cracked your code of W hiskey T ango
F oxtrot
LOL
“FIrst, A ‘YELLOW STICKER’, is LITTERING….MEH SON!
-A ‘YELLOW STICKER’ ON YOUR DOOR? WHERE IS THE CODIFIED STATUTE THAT ALLOWS FOR SOMEONE TO TRESPASS ON YOUR PROPERTY, PER CANIGLIA V. STROM?!?!? put a Sticker on Your Door”.
Look up the definition of littering.
Look up the case you state that I have disputed twice already.
Do you really care about some lame sign? Your neighbors surely already know. That is the intent of the Oppression Lists (OLs) after all.
The criminals can put up a billboard across from my home for all I care. The OLs guaranteed that I don’t give the first f*** about anyone’s opinions or concerns. In fact, I hope people are upset that I’m near them. F them. They deserve at least that just because the OLs exist.
If LE ever put up a sign like that on my property they’d be guaranteeing that I never called them or allowed them to see me. I might respond to a nice note asking me to call them. I’d never respond to anything rude.
Will
I still have the sign inside my house as evidence of punishment, harassment, and how far they go to embarrass us. All while the courts continue to rule all of it is ok just short of executing all of us. A while back FAC requested to see it and I sent a photo over to them to check it out.
CherokeeJack
When I lived in Florida the city police department did monthly checks; which I thought was ridiculous. A few times I wasn’t home a cop called my cell and left a voicemail and another time their was a white note on my doorknob. The thing that ticked me off the most was when they sat in their patrol car after their jollies were full filled. Only good thing they came at night and I had neighbors, but never of them made a stink the five years I was there.
Brandon
I can top that and is why I moved
When I was on probation, I Had probably 3 checks a week. Probation officer would come at all hours of the day and night to not only my house but also my job
That is expected. But the city cops, county sheriff’s and FDLE would make random checks on me all during the week. They even did a raid on my home once citing an anonymous tip. They tore my house from floor to ceiling and Wow , breaking news, they found NO dead bodies, no kidnapped victims, no porn, no guns, no drugs, no bundles of cash or whatever they were looking for.
And guess what, when I asked who was going to pay for the damages to my house, I got threatened with a beat down. When I complained to the probation officer, she said “Let it go and be thankful you are not under arrest”.
As a former cop, I can see why a lot of people distrust and hate cops. I never stick up for bad cops but still state and believe there are some good cops. Even on the registry I have been pulled over and just got a warning on a ticket from a decent cop.
Since I moved back with my parents who are elderly, I rarely get bothered anymore. 2 checks a year at house and 4 times to register in person. FOR LIFE.
I heard that after you die they still require you to show up in person to register or you will be dug up, given CPR and arrested. Oh wait, a better idea, the next relative in line can take your place on the registry since they are being punished along with us anyway.
ABC, I HAVE WORKED 70 HOUR WEEKS ALL MY LIFE!
THAT IS THE INDUSTRY I AM IN!
NEVER ANSWER THEIR CALLS AND NEVER MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THEM
ITS ON THEM…NOT ON YOU…YOU WORK FOR A LIVING…THEY SIT AND DRINK COFFEE AND EAT DONUTS AND RECEIVE A BI-WEEKLY PAYCHECK AND SPEND TAX PAYER DOLLARS….THEY DO NOT HAVE TO CREATE REVENUE AND WATCH EXPENSES…THEY ARE FAT BUREAUCRATS!
YOU HAVE NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ANSWER OR RETURN THEIR CALLS OR MAKE AND APPOINTMENT AT YOUR RESIDENCE—UNLESS YOU ARE ON PROBATION, WELL, THEN YOU ARE FCKED!
If officers need an address check, just show your ID. Why create more drama than that?
If we detest address checks that much and consider them illegal, then we could raise funds for an Address Check Challenge in Federal court. But it may not be a high priority for donors.
Jacob
If a registry exists at all, why tie up 1000s of officers around the U.S to do these checks. Maybe once to make sure you live there and then Only check again when you change your address.
Bad enough some of us have to take a day out of our lives 4 times a year to re-registry and more if we have changes between registrations.
Out of the multiple pages and 1000s of rules we have to follow, not seeing how a judge cannot find ONE single part of it punitive?
There are not enough cops to respond to 911 calls and yet they can justify 10s of 1000s of officers and deputies to dedicate their entire shifts to doing nothing but compliance checks. Remind you of who else does that? Hum, how about………..A probation officer?
JACOB
THE ADDRESS CHECK IS ON THEM!…NOT YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE ON PROBATION, ETC
IF YOUR ADDRESS WOULD HAVE CHANGE, YOU WOULD HAVE REPORTED THE CHANGE IMMEDIATELY….SO THEREFORE, AN ADDRESS VERIFICATION IS BULLSHIT ON FRENCH TOAST, MEH SON!
WE ALL KNOW!
THE STATES AND FEDS CAN EASILY DO WHAT IS CALLED A ‘GOOGLE PING PIN’ ON YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS WHICH IS ENABLED IN EVERY STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT’S JURISDICTIONS…
FURTHERMORE, IT IS THE FEDERAL MONIES THAT GO TO THE US MARSHAL’S OFFICE WHICH THEN GO TO THE LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO SUPPORT THESE USELESS ADDRESS CHECKS
I AM BUILDING ANOTHER FENCE AROUND MY RESIDENCE AND ADOPTED ANOTHER PET BULL!
WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR ID, WHEN YOU SHOW YOUR ID DURING RE-REGISTRATIONS OR ANYTIME YOUR ID SHOULD CHANGE?\
AND THERE ARE NO FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS REQUIRING COMPLIANCE CHECKS AS THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE, ILLEGAL ARREST AND DETAINMENT, ETC…THE LIST GOES ON AND ON!
SO , ANYONE, PLEASE ANSWER THE AFOREMENTIONED! YOU.DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS!
“THE ADDRESS CHECK IS ON THEM!…NOT YOU, UNLESS YOU ARE ON PROBATION, ETC”.
Unless there is a stipulation in one’s probation/parole rules that they/you/whoever have to be home 24/7 or at some curfew time, if you’re not home, you’re not home. Even if you are home, they have to prove that.
“AND THERE ARE NO FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS REQUIRING COMPLIANCE CHECKS AS THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE, ILLEGAL ARREST AND DETAINMENT, ETC…THE LIST GOES ON AND ON!”
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Media on September 22, 2021 at 5:26 pm
FAC is not a law firm and does not give out legal advice.
See https://oppaga.fl.gov/Documents/Reports/18-08.pdf, page 10, “Address verification” for a discussion on this topic.
JACOB
NOT CREATING DRAMA!
I DID NOT INVITE THEM TO DINNER AT MY HOUSE, NOR, DID THEY INVITE ME TO DINNER AT THEIR HOUSE
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT
SEMPER FIDELIS!
JACOB
“THERE IS NO CODIFIED FEDERAL OR STATE STATUTE FOR THOSE FORCED TO REGISTER OR ANY OTHER PERSON(S) THAT ARE NOT ON PROBATION OR ETC TO ALLOW ANYONE ON YOUR PROPERTY UNLESS A COURT ORDERED SEARCH WARRANT HAS BEEN ISSUED BY A COURT OF REASONABLE JURISDICTION”
THE AFOREMENTIONED QUOTATION IS FROM A RETIRED FEDERAL JUDGE, WHOM LIVES NEAR ME!
WHY GIVE THEM AN INCH…YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT….
NO ONE PERSON CAN TRESPASS SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY
NO ONE BELONGS ON YOUR PROPERTY…YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT
“Why create more drama than that?”
Because “make good trouble”. I’m sure you know who said that and the history. It fits well.
One reason to “create more drama” is to help ensure that the Oppression Lists (OLs) are as expensive, cumbersome, and annoying as possible. EVERYONE must suffer. Everyone. Especially anyone who thinks the OLs are acceptable. It should be a goal to train people so that if they just hear “registry”, they throw up.
Personally, I’m not going to allow the OLs to exist without them causing as much harm as possible. But I’m not going to restrict that harm to just things that are related to the OLs. It will continue to be widespread. The OLs must cost. The “compliance checks” are just a minor, minor part of it all. There is much worse harm going on than just making those annoying for everyone.
Having said that, if the law enforcement criminals don’t try to come around my home very often and they call me first, I’ll usually greet them. But I never pass up an opportunity to tell them how dumb, useless, and counterproductive the OLs are. That should be a consistent, constant, constant, constant message, for every occasion.
There is a spreading activism out there all about standing up for rights by exercising them. Cop watchers, 1st Amendment Audits, open-carry, etc.
While for me it is easier to compromise to keep the peace, especially since my assigned deputy is very professional and courteous, there absolutely is value in standing up and exercising your rights for the good of your own freedom as well as society at large.
The way I interpret the current case law that I’ve seen (minimal at best) is that LE are not to be snooping around on your property, and that goes just as much for persons on the registry as anyone else as long as the person is not on supervision. If a person on the registry decides to erect a tall fence and make it clear that the public in general is not welcome, compliance check LE officers must also abide by this. There is nothing in FS 943.0435 that gives LE authority to demand a gate code or special access to property.
All in all, if a registered person decided they wanted to make compliance checks as difficult as possible, there’s nothing Constitutional that LE could do to stop them. However, that doesn’t always stop LE. Some respect the Constitutions, some don’t. But, you can have your day in court if it comes to that. Goes without saying to make sure you are willing to take on that burden before putting up your barriers.
I try my best to stay “Off” of their radar. The old saying “The squeaky wheel gets the oil” also relates to people on the registry. Just replace oil with handcuffs or a hard time. I am not a robot who just does what I am told, but I get the compliance checks out of the way as fast and professionally as possible then do not get bothered again for 6 months. I have never had a surprise visit.
Only time I had what I consider a problem is, when I was not home and the officer put a yellow sticker on my front door that was embarrassing. Have no idea how many saw it before we got home.
Same thing with registration. The workers there are usually pretty cool and want to get you in and out without incident. Only once seen a guy almost get arrested. Was shocked they did not arrest him. He refused to sign (Which was a minor thing) but was throwing the paperwork, cussing out the officers and banging on the window and yelling *uck you at them. That was 2 years ago and never saw the guy again. Who knows what happened.
Believe me, I hate and disagree with the registry and compliance checks as much as anyone as Ex post facto punishment. Especially for anyone no longer on paperwork. But as long as the courts screw us, we will suffer.
CherokeeJ….Legally, How can ‘they’ put a Yellow Sticker on Your Door, as There is No State or Federal Statute(s) Concerning Compliance Checks, on persons forced to register?
Absent a Codified Statute, How can do this?
Why Allow ‘Them’ to Continue to take and Inch and increase it to a mile?
How Can You be Compliant when there is No Codified Statute?
I agree but I am not going to be the one who takes the falls for going up against the sheriffs department. I know what they are capable of. Things they can do to you legally that hurt just as bad. I pissed them off in another county I lived in and even though I was not required to do notifications to neighbors, the cops did it for me with flyers to every house in my neighborhood when I lived in another there. It was so bad after that , that I moved.
And that is not all. I had the local police come by 2 to 3 times a week. Then the Deputies would come by. And on one occasion even the FDLE came by and did a no knock warrant which resulted in them finding nothing. (Surprised they didn’t try and plant something, Thank the Lord)
When I tried to file a complaint, it made it worse. I have never been a whimp and there are certain things I would die fighting for. But when I bring heat on my own family, I choose to fight in the shadows. I take care of my elderly parents the best I can and getting arrested again is NOT an option I can risk.