Could this be Karma?
Let me say this first and most importantly… everyone accused of the crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty and we are strongly against sexual abuse of any kind. It is important to establish that this post is not to implicate someone of a crime before they have been convicted and certainly not to celebrate the commission of an offense.
That said… some news that came out last night got my attention… Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz is under investigation for sex trafficking a minor.
This is the same Matt Gaetz, who when running for office put out a television commercial announcing he plans to “fix” sex offender laws by creating longer mandatory minimum sentences (see: https://floridaactioncommittee.org/longer-prison-terms-only-works-for-politics/). This is also the same Matt Gaetz whose father, former Florida Senate President Don Gaetz, promised to make Florida “Scorched Earth for Sex Offenders” (see: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-xpm-2013-12-21-os-ed-sexual-predator-epidemic-20131220-story.html).
Isn’t that a bit fortuitous (again, not the offense but who the accused is)? We’ve always said that ‘until it happens to them or their child’ they won’t realize or care about the draconian laws they created.
If the allegations are proven and Matt Gaetz has to do time and register as a sex offender, he will become the beneficiary of all the “scorched earth” laws he and his father helped create. Could this be Karma?
It doesn’t matter if he is guilty or not as he will not be prosecuted or be placed on the registry. If you do not believe me Google Florida Congressman Mark Foley.
Yeah, I was thinking too, they don’t apply the same rules to themselves (or those like themselves), but it is good that they are at least investigating this. That is a good sign. It’s also good to have one of them experience this, since we do know that they only make laws that they think will never affect them.
This also makes me think of the cult Operation Underground Railroad who pretends to be saving and protecting children from sex trafficking and child predators and has been putting out so many lies about it for years. Turns out they have protected real sexual abuse of real children and of women.
He is a extremely outspoken conservative. To be honest, I expect that they will come after him hard in the media because of his political views. Cancel culture is very real for all of us. That being said, he’s probably too well connected to ever serve any time or be placed on the registry. Money talks
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Sorry….that started my day off really well
Him being under the microscope from these allegations is enough for me to say it is Karma. Even Tucker Calrson said the interview with Gaetz about this was “one of the weirdest interviews” of his career. But Tucker Carlson (who has railed against SOs) didn’t go far enough because he failed to mention in depth what FAC pointed out about the Gaetz legacy of laws against SOs
Tucker was incredulous because of the blackmail/extortion gaslighting Goatz was bleating about.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-confused-matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-denials-weirdest-interviews-083448424.html
“Welcome to the Machine”
- Roger Waters
Karma? Perhaps. Schadenfreude? Most definitely. First they will see well they’re saying now. Never happened, it’s all a big plot by the Left. Then perhaps he will say something like “even if it is true, so what?” Folks like Gaetz will
Always be different. Regular rules do not apply to them.
Wrong wrong wrong. He has too many connections. They know too many judges. Although supposedly not negotiateable, I have seen a few cases where someone was charged but avoided registration with a plea (Don’t ask cause I do not know how they skirtted the system)
But then again, regardless of what he has done to us, he also deserves a fair trial and if he is NOT guilty, at least maybe he got a feel for what we go through. On the other hand, this might piss him off so much he takes it out on us with a new bill.
“As long as there are men in power, there will be corruption.”
—Cherokee Jack
I seen a case with my own eyes in the court room where a guy made a deal to dodge the registry. He was 23 she was 15. They cut a deal and he was not placed on the registry. Funny how I never got a chance to try and avoid the registry. Maby thats because it didn’t exist when I went to court. We made a deal. But as you know that state reached back and grabbed me retroactively. I Wish I would have had that chance.
Exactly, he will either get the charges dropped or be allowed to plea down to a misdemeanor offense and skirt the registry.
Many people get out of it that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_scandal
Foley was chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, which introduced legislation targeting sexual predators and created stricter guidelines for tracking them.
Florida officials investigating Foley decided not to charge him, citing a lack of evidence.
I dunno. First, isn’t 17 the legal age in FL? And also, Gaetz seems to want the interview recordings to be released according to this article below. And lastly, I was a fan of Gaetz but I had no idea that his father wanted to make FL a “scorched earth” for those with sex offense convictions. Hmm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/boom-matt-gaetz-demands-fbi-doj-release-recording-former-doj-official-threatening-family-extortion-alleged-former-doj-official-implicated-named-video/
Maestro
The Florida Age of Consent is 18 years old.
Individuals aged 17 or younger in Florida are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape.
Florida statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under Age 18. Close in age exemptions exist, allowing minors aged 16 or 17 to engage in sexual intercourse with a partner no older than age 23.
I respectfully disagree with this statement…
This is one of many law firm sites btw, I am in no way endorsing this business but the information posted IS valid.
https://www.smithandeulo.com/romeo-and-juliet-law-in-florida/
Under Florida law you can NOT engage in legal sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 18… Ever. The R&J Statute only allows for removal from the registry under certain conditions AFTER a conviction.
Its call the Romeo and Juliet law and I believe they have to be within 5 years of each other. If convicted of a sex crime that falls in this category. It is a lot easier to be removed from the registry and in some cases you might not even be put on the registry. Had my victim been a few months older I would have fell into this Romeo and Juliet law category. Also and while I don’t promote or encourage this but if they are 16 or 17 they can engage in sexual activity with a person older than 18 with “parental consent”. Or at least that was the law back in 2001 when I was being prosecuted. Just offering my 2 cents incase someone might know someone or someone on here that falls within these parameters to be removed from the registry or help defend their case in court.
4 years
Oh yeah. Its 4 years. My charge fell just short (about 2 months) of that mark. Which put me technically 5 years older. Nearly the same situation as the guy you guys just posted about. Btw, for some reason I’m not recieving any notifications of posts to all these discussions. I check the boxes at the bottom but receive no notifications. Is there a big that needs to be fixed somewhere or am I doing something wrong.
Tim
Have you checked your spam folder? I was having that issue when I first signed up. Because when you elect to get emails from a post, you get ALL of the comments and that freaks out the spam bots.
Just a thought
I haven’t. I forgot all about that. I always get the initial post/articles but never follow up comments etc. Thanks, I’ll go check it now.
Florida is one of the 10 states in the US where the age of consent is 18.
https://www.ageofconsent.net/states
Well… wait a minute…. this means that John Walsh CAN and SHOULD be brought up on statutory rape charges because his wife was only 17 when they met and in the video I saw of him (at a younger age) talking about it, I specifically remember him saying that he wanted to make sure she was legal age and he was relieved to find out she was 17 and that age was ok. Because he was 23 or 24 at the time.
Since there is no statute of limitations on this “crime” anymore, how about we rally for a retroactive charge against him then?
This has gotten beyond ridiculous.
You want FAC to advocate punishing a guy for dating his wife when she was 17?
it’s not what it is, it’s who it is…https://floridaactioncommittee.org/those-who-scream-the-loudest/
“You want FAC to advocate punishing a guy for dating his wife when she was 17?”
To make a point… yes!
BTW, I never said it had to be done by FAC, but how about all of us who were/are registered due to a statutory law even when the courts recognized it as consensual?
Such relationships are not exactly the definition of “threats to public safety”.
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What is hilarious, you can get down and funky at with someone at 18 legally , but have to be 21 to have a beer.
While the consent age in Florida may be 18, sex would not be a crime if he took her to a state where the legal age is 16 or 17. It is not illegal under federal law to transport a minor to another state even if it is for lawful sex in that state. That is unless he provided money or some other in-kind payment for sex. In that case, federal human trafficking statutes would kick in.
Notice that Gaetz has stated that paying for flights or hotel rooms for legal partners is not a crime. “You know, I’ve paid for flights, for hotel rooms. I’ve been, you know, generous as a partner. I think someone is trying to make that look criminal when it is not.”
It is almost as if he is setting the stage for a defense claiming he did not provide any compensation. If (and I emphasize ‘if’) he did indeed travel with a 17 year-old and in some sense compensated her in exchange for even legal sex, he could be in a world of hurt under federal human trafficking laws. If sex with a 17 year-old was illegal in the state then the Mann Act would apply in addition to any state statutes.
Veritas.
Amen.
Whether Karma or just hypocritical greed grasping for the low hanging fruit to promote and advance themselves, being exposed for who they really are. The problem is ,even if now he recognizes the injustices of his former laws he will no longer be in a position to change any of them. For no one will be willing to listen to him anymore. Because of the world he has helped create.
Karma? Epistiens little black book of secrets would end the registry
Epsteins’s you mean right? I agree completely, and there has to be one.
I’m not really a conspiracy theorist. However, did Epstein really commit suicide or was he offed due to his ties with political big wings? He could have been a victim off another inmate. The more politicians I see get investigated for sex crimes. I start to lean more towards that either Epstein did infact commit suicide either from guilt or to fall on his sword to protect his inner circle or his inner circle had connections to tie up any loose ends with him.
It is quite obvious… MI5 … eliminate a witness against the crown’s Prince Andrew.
That’s going to be a tough row to ho as they would say back in the day.
If he is convicted he’s going to finally understand what it’s like to be on the receiving end of endless discrimination and public shaming.
Hopefully if he is proven guilty he can’t buy his way out with favors from friends. He could use a dose of his own medicine..
I would like to know why Floriduh State Senator Lauren Book was quick to condemn her pediatrician for an accusation but is absolutely quiet about her political ally getting accused. I guess only some accusations are worthy of her condemnation?
Here is a direct quote from Gaetz: “”It is a horrible allegation and it is a lie. The New York Times is running a story that I have traveled with a 17-year-old woman and that is verifiablably false.” I find it interesting that he defines a 17 year old as a woman rather than a child. I was busted for CP because the feds said images.on my computer were of “children” the same age as Gaetz describes as a “woman.”
I’ve forgotten the year that Congress changed the cutoff age for CP from 16 to 18. Federal prosecutors argued that it was hard to distinguish between legal and illegal pictures. Of course this “logic” still applies with the age at 18. This change was made even though the federal age of consent is 16, as it is in 34 states.
So even though a 16 year-old can engage with another over that age, she would be guilty of production of CP if she took a sexualized photo of herself. Go figure!
Veritas.
Ed, I think that the child porn cut off has been 18 for a long time. What may have still been 16 was stuff like what used to be called a Mann Act Really need to interstate travel and also the laws that say that if you travel to a foreign country with the intent of having sex with someone under 16, 18 or whatever. My recollection is that was 16 for the international travel at least three or four years ago because there was a case in the news about some couple that I travel to Thailand specifically to fool around with young kid. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that that age limit was still 16. But we’ve seen things like this before where someone is dating a 16-or 17 year-old and it’s perfectly legal under state law, but they send a nude picture of them to someone else and it’s a “child pornography offense” Point being is that I do believe that for anything they would try to classify as “child porn” The age has been 18 for quite some time.
Someone needs to reach out and invite them to join a FEARLESS group. Hahaha!!
Wage a scorched earth campaign long enough and eventually you’ll get burned.
Time wounds all heels!
Veritas.
Sigh. PTSD is forever.
Hmmm…just saw this jerk on TV the other night as he did a rally in Ft. Walton and not a word was said about it by the reporter. Corrupt politician that he is. He’ll get no sympathy from me. I hope they nail him.
I can’t stand Gaetz, but liked that, according to the media, he came out against the Pasco sheriff and his stalking of people with past criminal records:
https://www.fox13news.com/news/gaetz-calls-on-desantis-to-remove-pasco-sheriff-for-using-intelligence-program-to-predict-crime
I doubt he’ll see any prosecution. And, I’ve also read, he’s considering leaving office to join Newsmax.
I have a personal beef with this man. Problem is, this is not a new investigation. It started while Trump was still in office and Bill Barr was very aware of it.
But, I damn sure want his a$$ convicted if true. This is one politician that we don’t need making laws against Registered People.
Usually, where there’s smoke there’s fire.
This is the same Matt Gaetz, who’s father pulled some strings and called in some favors so that Matt could emerge relatively unscathed from a D.U.I
No amount of string pulling will allow him skate this time. Anything “sex with a minor” in America, it’s pretty much one and done. The public has been conditioned and radicalized not to shrug off any behavior of moral turpitude (sexual impropriety.).
His rather predictable “character assassination” claim along with his forthcoming apology tour and intent to “seeking out treatment” should be met with laughter.
It’s rather ironic to fall on the sword that you helped forge.
“Anything “sex with a minor” in America, it’s pretty much one and done.” Ha. We are guilty until proven innocent… OR RICH.
10 or 15 years ago, his rich father could’ve bought him a “contributing to the delinquency of a minor“ charge or something like that. I saw it happen at least once. My second set of lawyers said I could’ve done it myself if I had a better lawyer the first time. Today, probably not so much, not only because they’ve tightened up but also because this is not only a federal case but it’s a very high profile one. And after that Epstein decision in the 11th Yesterday, there aren’t going to be many get out of jail free cards given out for a while.
Send Gaetz a FAC New Member Welcome Packet.
To be fair, what we have all seen is the weaponization of these kinds of allegations. We see it is child custody disputes between parents, we see it in judicial appointments (ie SCOTUS Justices Kavanaugh and Thomas), we see it in our own walks of life. The unfortunate reality of our society today is that men (mostly) are all too often victims of false allegations. I didn’t want to be judged in the court of public opinion, even though several news outlets known for scandalous reporting ensured I was. So, let’s see how this plays out.
Could Gaetz be the first member of the new registry? Or would he fall under the S.O. Registry?
If convicted, the SO registry.
These might be false allegations. For example, the feds have charged former Seminole County Tax Collector Greenberg of sex trafficking AND Greenberg is also accused of sending to school officials allegations of sexual misconduct posing as an anonymous “concerned student,” detailing false allegations of sexual misconduct against his political opponent, as reported today by clickorlando.com (WCPX channel 6, Orlando).
Ironic, no? Those “Anonymous student complaints” Allegedly sent by Greenberg to his Republican primary opponents employer or what started this investigation. From what I’m reading, when the sheriff and others got hold of Greenberg’s computers, what do you think they found? Sounds like that little dirty trick backfired. Kind a like Devin Shapiro sending an anonymous letter saying that Your grandma was running a Ponzi scheme. LOL
I hope it is Karma. Persons sometimes do not learn a lesson until they suffer through it.
Amen! Sometimes a COLDLY FORCE-FED DOSE OF EMPATHY is the BEST MEDICINE by far!
I’ve said it before and will say it again. Those who point fingers always have 3 pointed back at themselves.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person. This is the guy who, in legislative session, effectively admitted that the Civil Commitment Act was just a way to extend prison sentences.
Oh yeah, this has always been about “doth protest too much.” Just as gays suffered for decades from legislators voting against gay rights, only to find out later those who spoke loudest against them were closeted homosexuals. (Foley, Craig, Christ, Schock). I have believed for a long time that we are the focus of the self-hate powerful people have regarding their own secret double lives. We tend to scream loudest against socially unacceptable issues we struggle with ourselves. When when we hollar about ‘that guy over there’ it takes any focus off of ourselves.
Rpsabq
It was Putin that quoted the old childhood adage. “ Your a rock and I’m rubber, whatever you say or do bounces off of me and sticks to you.”
They never think what they do to others will ever have any effect on them. Little do they know.
Correction
The quote is “ I’m rubber and your glue , whatever you say or do bounces off of me and sticks to you”
He was saying that ti Biden
What about Joel Greenberg? I guess he has ties with Matt Gaetz? Joel is being prosecuted for sex trafficking along with many other felony charges. Is this a coincidence?
I have been following the Greenberg case for a long time, being that I live in Seminole County. I have also read through much of the federal documents via PACER (federal court portal) and there is no stated link between Greenberg and Gaetz.
I’m sorry, but I am starting to believe that this is a MAJOR setup. I will refuse to hold any opinion on the matter until about 2 years passes when the dust has likely settled.
I don’t personally care about the criminal outcome of this case. If he violated the law, he should be convicted and punished. He should not be convicted if he did not break the law, no matter how sleazy were his consensual activities. Like beauty, sleaze is in the eye of the beholder.
My worst case fear is that he did have an affair with a 17 year-old that didn’t violate the law and he is, appropriately, not convicted. In that scenario, and with the massive publicity, we may see a wave of moral panic leading to a deluge of poorly thought-out laws. Polichickens could have carte blanche to tighten screws against SOs; and for political gain, they will.
As I said, I don’t have an opinion as to the legal outcome except to pray that his political career is ruined for the good of all, and that we don’t see legislative blowback.
Veritas.
Ed
Also in the state of Florida the age to marry is 17 (With parents permission). Just funny there are so many inconsistancies in the age you can do things. Like I said earlier, you can have sex at 18 but can’t drink until you are 21.
Not to mention that in most states you can have consensual sex with a 16 year-old, but you can’t take her picture, nor can she for that matter. Moral panic around sex has caused simply weird statutory spaghetti.
Veritas.
Cherokee Jack, I think our age of consent laws are so hypocritical and arbitrary. I’m NOT talking about lowering the age of consent. I am coming from the angle that IF 18 IS OLD ENOUGH TO ENLIST IN THE ARMED FORCES WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT, GET SENT TO A THEATER OF WAR AND BLOWN TO BITS AND EITHER KILLED OR MAIMED FOR LIFE, then 18 should be the age where a person can enjoy EVERY LAST FREEDOM OF ADULTHOOD.
I think it’s ridiculous that young men and women old enough to enlist in the armed forces at 18, but are then treated as criminals if they go out and get a drink. I was in the Navy for 5 years and in that time I heard of multiple sailors being discharged punitively from Naval service because they got busted for underage drinking.
In fact, I’d like Captain Munsey to chime in here and tell us if he’s ever kicked any sailors out of the Navy or punished them in any way for underage drinking. He would be the one holding “Captain’s Mast”.(Article 15 UCMJ – Commanding Officer’s Non-Judicial Punishment). If he did so, it was probably because statute or Navy regulations dictated what he must do at a minimum. But he can tell you authoritatively how 18 is old enough to be in the Navy, but NOT old enough to drink.
WC
My Dad was a Chief in the Navy. He told me stories of how his men respected him because he never snitched on them. He gave them a good ass chewing and a warning.
He told me one guy gave him crap and he took him to the side of the air craft carrier and told the sailor he was going to throw him and a life jacket in the water and send another ship to find him or get his act together. He never had another incident with the guy LOL It helps that my Dad is 6’3″.
WC_TN
Use to, if you were on base and enlisted you could drink at any age. A while back they made it standard to 21. The exception is some U.S foreign bases have lower drinking ages to match the local laws.
WC-TN
Just my 2cents worth. I grew up in Kansas where the legal drinking age at that time was 18 so never encountered the problems many had. In Europe it’s common almost everywhere to have alcohol with meals . Funny they don’t have all the problems the hypocrisy of this country has.
If nothing else, hopefully the Republican party will eventually learn how these sex offense laws are being weaponized for political assassinations. Nobody who gets one of these charges to stick in the world of public opinion can recover from it politically. Perhaps then they may start walking back from the cliff of creating life destroying legislation.
It’s not just the Republicans who are behind these laws. Democrats are equally to blame. Example, Lauren Book (Democrat).
Laura Book is no true Democrat. She picked D because when Republicans did the redistricting (which they admitted in a lawsuit they had illegally drawn the districts to benefit their own party), there was no other D that could come close to the money she and her father had raised. And so she used it as an opportunity to buy her way to power. see this article:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-lauren-book-state-senate-20150901-story.html
Anyone that follows politics seriously would know Republicans believe law and order, which they believe to mean harsher penalties. And they are the party of QAnon. A disproven and discredited far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping, cannibalistic pedophiles was running a global child sex-trafficking ring and that they plotted against former U.S. president Donald Trump while he was in office. QAnon is commonly referred to as a cult. What can you expect of a party which aligns itself with a cult and uses child sex exploitation as a weapon against other candidates?
And yes, while the public remains uninformed and believe tougher penalties works both parties will mostly cater to the public and vote down registry and related law reform.
But of the two, the Democrats are the party that most campaigns for criminal justice reform. So they are the party more philosophically aligned for us to be able to inform, and get on board.
I am neither Democrat nor Republican because I can no longer choose any party. I am a convicted sex offender. But I do follow politics seriously, not conspiracy theories such as the ones you mentioned. There are plenty of Republicans who seek criminal justice reform (and make it happen such as Trump did in the First Step Act as an example). In contrast, Bill Clinton signed into law as president severe limitations on challenges to illegal convictions and sentences under 28 USC 2255. Whether Lauren Book is a fake democrat and is really a Republican as you suggest is contradicted by her legislation as well as others by Democrats. My point is, and always will be, both sides are to blame regardless of Qanon or other unproven conspiracy theories.
Both Parties R 2 Blame – Glad to hear you do not follow conspiracy theories. Unfortunately most Republicans do, starting with believing the election was “stolen”.
People often confuse actions with intent or do no not understand the politics of when law are passed. Take the latter as an example . We all hear from politicians that to get reelected they need to cater to what the constituents want. When Bill clinton was running for election the Ds had lost 2 consecutive elections prior because they were deemed soft on crime and why Clinton enacted tough laws. To reposition the D’s because he felt it gave them a better shot on holding the White House, and passing it is something he has since admitted was a mistake. He recognizes it made the problem worse.
Trump on the other hand does not care about the long term effect of his actions on his party and the impact of that is obvious by the state of the party today. I switched for that party because it went from fiscally responsible and protecting democracy to lowering taxes when the economy he inherited from Obama was booming. That is like having credit card debt and getting a huge raise at work, and instead of paying off your debt getting into even more. He did not lower the government spending and so the debt increased. And he attacked our democracy by trying to circumvent separation of powers regards the Justice Department. He only cares about benefiting himself and his family. He passed that first step act because Kusher pushed for it due to his father having been incarcerated. But Trump personally felt it was a dud. He was no true champion of criminal justice reform and anyone that has followed his actions and public statements would clearly see this. See a report on that :https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/24/trump-kushner-criminal-justice-snub-1507285
I never want to get political in a space that is supposed to inform other RSO’s about what is and can harm us but the democratic party has done far more to hurt RSO’s than the republicans ever have. (and i follow politics now and its history)Look at all the past legislation presented to congress to make our lives harder and see what party represents the majority of those those bills. Democrats may campaign for justice reform but that’s as far as it goes. As soon as they get elected (see Kamala harris/Barack Obama etc…) they do a 180 and actually imprison more people that their counterparts ever have. Our current president used to have a nickname of “Lock em up Joe” All that being said there are exceptions like California where the current politicians are making laws to help some RSO’s so as jaded as i am being on the registry i believe there is a small glimmer of hope that the rest of the world will come around
No hope
What is odd is, the U.S is always telling other countries what to do, how to run their Government and bashing other countries for civil rights violations. But when another country calls our laws draconian and overly harsh, our Government scoffs, ignores and dismisses them to mind their own Damn business.
So true. We have failed to live to our supposedly core belief, as written in the constitution, that “all men are created equal” and from day one of the creation of our great country have failed miserably and administered discriminatory laws and brutally enforced them. I do have hope however. I believe we are a just people and that in the long run we will get it right. History has proven we have gotten better at it. But the goal has not ben reached yet and there is much work to be done. We should all roll up our sleeves and do our parts to achieve an even better country,
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The Constitution was ammended to add “All men are created equal , except those on the registry”. Two points on that. #1 That clause is invisble and no one can see it because it is in their heads.
#2 All men are created equal?
Well Hell, they also just threw women under the bus as well.
If you know you history, this was not an oversight. Woman back in those days were basically only allowed to cook, please their husbands, go shopping, do chores and mind the children.
Although some minor amendments have been added through the years, the out dated language has never been corrected. When I took constitutional law during my law enforcement career, I brought some of those things up to the professor. His response was “Well do something about it, become a congressman”.
LOL. Great points, I agree on the advice to become congressman. The most direct effective way to change the laws is to be “in the room where it happens’!
Lest you think I am coming at this from a biased view I can tell you I was a life long Republican until they morphed into the party of obstruction and falsehood.
Lock em up Joe is a Republican chant, which perhaps gives some insight as to from what angle you approach this.
Perhaps you meant that Biden said “Lock the S.O.B.s Up! That is true but I already covered that politics is a reflection of the electorate (which in theory is the way a true Democracy is supposed to be) and when in the past when the public sentiment leaned towards “tough on crime”, either party elected or looking to get elected would have voted/campaigned that way.
If you honestly believe the R’s are the ones championing justice reform now, as I stated before, go to their websites. Show me how many mention justice reform or BLM (which is a way to fight police/laws injustice) as one of their main campaign issue and I will show you way more from the D.
I don’t pick sides. I pick “teams”. I pick issues and candidates that reflect my beliefs. I have been a R, a D, and and an independent. Can you share if you have? I ask because when you are a life long member of one party and surround yourself with like minded persons and follow news media tailored to your “team” it severely limits your impartiality and ability to opine in a more unbiased way.
G,
A lot of what your saying doesn’t make a lot of sense and “lock em up Joe” was a nickname given to Joe Biden because of his history of voting to incarcerate everyone he can. From the New york times: “every major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the State of Delaware: Joe Biden.” Kamala harris is well known for lying & blocking evidence to keep people in Jail longer than they were supposed to be and those are your top 2 candidates in the democratic party that you say are championing justice reform. Your saying what you think is right and not actually stating facts. You made a assumption that i was a republican and only listened to one group of people. I am actually a libertarian as i believe every RSO should be because they are more for less government. Lastly and most importantly is you state to look at all of their web sites and tell you where i see a republican champion justice reform. i don’t know about you but i work for a living and really do not have that kind of time, but as an RSO that keeps an eye on every bill/law that is pushed through a state or federal legislator the majority(not all both sides are to blame) of them as i stated before are endorsed by a democratic politician. So despite what they post on their website that you pay so much attention to, i know your not going to believe this but sometimes politicians lie to get elected. That’s why it has always been safe to judge a man/woman by their actions not their words.
I don’t know why you mentioned BLM they are a hate group that is responsible for deaths(19 died during protests) and billions of dollars in damage to our country i wouldn’t want RSO’s to be associated in any with them we have it hard enough.
No more political discussion, please.
You said that one EXACTLY RIGHT. Any laws that target “our people” are by far and large bi-partisan and pass without dissent in most cases.
WC
#1 Car jacker robs old lady – Gets his voting rights back
#2 Three time robber and thief – Gets his voting rights back
#3 four time street level drug pusher – Gets her voting rights back
#4 Drive by shooter splatters house with bullets(no one hit) – Gets his voting rights back
#5 “EX” sex offender had a single consensual one time encounter with a minor 30 years ago. – No voting rights in foreseeable future
In my state all of the harsher bills being proposed today are sponsored by Republicans while all of the registry reform bills are sponsored by Democrats. Perhaps the platforms by party differ by state, but the beast (the system) in my state works that way.
My advice is to stay informed of who is pushing good vs. bad legislation in your state and act accordingly.
By far best response I have seen and something I do. I wished more of our registered citizens devoted time and energy to get involved. To volunteer to reply to articles and help inform the public so we can get voters to stop believing the myth that harsher laws work. And wish more of us got involved in local, state and national elections to identify and help get elected those candidates espousing criminal justice reform. I have no idea where a person comes to believe that do not know where someone gets the idea that “plenty of Republicans seek criminal justice reform”. I have compared multiple website of candidates running for office and found few Republican ones where they state that is one of their goals when elected. I had hope they would get it since the vast majority of Americans—an overwhelming 95%—are in favor of at least some criminal justice system and police reform..but alas the party has lost its moral compass. See : https://www.rollcall.com/2019/08/22/criminal-justice-reform-had-a-bipartisan-minute-then-2020-reared-its-head/
Has there ever been a time where a politician was convicted of a sexual offence and the result was a lowering of the severity of any of the myriad of laws and or regulations restricting the rights of P.F.R’s?
Are we to expect this case to end like all others I can remember where the accused (being a politician or some other public figure) is tried convicted and disappears from public light or the accused is quietly released from any obligation to stand trial and again disappears from public light?
Like sands thru the hourglass, so are the days of our incarceration whether they be inside or out. 🤪
Check spam folder and nothing from FAC was there. Oh well hopefully it will sort itself out or something. It gets old and tedious to have to manually follow a forum/post.
No one here would be OK with their 17-year-old daughter traveling with a 38-year-old Congressman who intended to have sex with her, right?
That’s why laws against doing so are popular and will remain so.
If there is sufficient evidence that he broke a Federal criminal law, then he will be prosecuted by the feds for that. If there isn’t, then he won’t. That’s how 99.9% of these cases work.
I had daughters who did things I didn’t like. I dealt with it. I never needed a law to help me help her make good choices regarding sex. That is definitely not something I would ever want big government to be involved in. Who thinks other people should be making major life decisions for you?
Having said all that, I think “age of consent” laws are good. To control people who won’t be good parents.
IF HE IS PROVEN GUILTY BY LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE, his finances need to be seized…every last red cent…to go for restitution. That way he can live as a penniless and homeless PFR just like all the other people he has abused in the past to feather his own political career. I say I hope he gets the full brunt of it all.
We all know his daddy is filthy rich, so any effects of the registry, if he’s even found guilty of any registerable offense, will most likely be mitigated by the financial capital from dear old Daddy to relocate him in a legal, luxury estate. There are two standards of law; one for the rich and politically connected and one for the rest of us. We already know to which standard he will be treated. I can still hope that if he is found guilty he gets the full brunt of every last bit of abuse he and his Daddy have heaped on Florida PFRs for YEARS! Let’s see what old Ronnie and Lauren Book have to say about this one!!! Let’s see if their take is any different from how they view all other PFRs in their state!
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That is not always the case. Jeffrey Epstein in 2019 had a net worth of half a billion dollars. Although he did get a lighter sentence, he was not able to make it just go away. Still suspicious how he died. Something about the suicide feels off. From experience, there is a LOT of cover ups in prison.
My main point was, even with all that money, he was done even if he had not died. He would have had to buy a private island and go into seclusion. I think the only one who successfully bought their way out was Michael Jackson. I loved Michael’s music but he obviously had some demons he couldn’t deal with.
Agree that’s the way its alway’s been. Think back on other president’s all the politician’s, doctor’s ,priest, movie star’s yes some cops and sheriff’s .Some how when it happens to one of these kind it goes away.I could go on and on but what’s the use . It’s still going on today you know the old saying money and who you know talk’s .Now for some lawyers the only thing they think about is money, not that you may be innocent you just don’t have enough money for them. I’ve been trying since 1995 to get someone to listen .If you would take a survey of prison’s today, you would be shocked how many is doing someone else’s time. Why because you was a nobody. Didn’t have lot of money didn’t know the right people.Then you fined out after years they was innocent all the time but no one wanted to listen .Then people get all bent out of shape because they get money DUE to them for the wrong that was done to them. All the money in the world couldn’t give them back what they lost. I’m going to end with that even though there is more i could say.
Speaking of Karma….
All those who were silent on the IML passport branding are weeping, wailing and gnashing their teeth over the “vaccination passport.” I say, bring it on. Let others get a taste of how restricted our freedoms are.
The plandemic proves we were the successful test cases of how much government can control it’s citizens rights and freedoms.
Another example of how justice system-involved persons are continually denied even the basic rights and dignity afforded everyone else:
https://www.wyff4.com/article/as-states-expand-vaccines-prisoners-still-lack-access/36035028
I would think inmates could initiate lawsuits over this. Isn’t basic healthcare required for individuals in the prison system?
Honestly, I think Gaetz had very little to do with the “scorched earth” policies laws passed in 2014. That was right after some Sun Sentinel articles on supposed cracks in Florida’s civil commitment system led to a big outcry to strengthen the system.
Gaetz just happened to get a lot of speaking time when the “scorched earth” laws passed because he was the Senate President.
Matt Gaetz was once roommates with John Tobia, the Brevard Co commissioner that pushed for even more buffer zones for registrants. Florida Today ran an article yesterday on the relationship. The paper will only let subscribers read the article. Does anyone have access to what was in the article?
Forgive me if someone else has already posted this.
The Washington Post found the following:
Gaetz was actually chair of the Florida criminal justice subcommittee and was one of the chief opponents to a revenge porn bill that was filed. Lawmakers who pointed out Gaetz’s leading role in getting the bill to die had to do so anonymously as one of the legislators told the Orland Sentinel, “If you crossed him, he was after you.”
In 2015, the nonconsensual pornography bill finally passed. Besides Gaetz, the only other no vote in the House came from then-Rep. John Tobia, his former roommate in Tallahassee. Tobia, now a Brevard County commissioner, did not respond to an email seeking comment on the legislation. (Again, Tobia is the Brevard Co commissioner who last summer pushed to have an amendment added to the already draconian SO ordinance, trying to further limit where registrants could go in Brevard Co.)
Gaetz opposed the revenge porn bill because he believed recipients of such images could use them however they wanted. He said that if a person gives an intimate photo to a romantic partner, the image becomes the property of the recipient. And this is a man who is allowed to file and vote for bills that force law-abiding registrants into a barbaric police state for the rest of their lives. Something is really
wrong here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/06/matt-gaetz-revenge-porn-bill/
Tobia, as Brevard commissioner, claimed to be passionate in his hatred for anybody who has sexually abused a minor. You’d think when confronted with similar allegations against his own buddy that he’d remain outspoken about this principle rather than being afraid to comment.
I see that he and Gaetz formed the Florida House Liberty Caucus which claimed to be libertarian in its principles. Far cry from the eventual creator of Brevard’s groundbreaking new exclusion zones.